Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Mar 2013 16:13 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Mark Shuttleworth: "I simply have zero interest in the crowd who wants to be different. Leet. 'Linux is supposed to be hard so it's exclusive' is just the dumbest thing that a smart person could say." He's right. Lots of interesting insights in this blog post - I may not agree with everything Ubuntu does, but at least it's doing something.
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Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

maethorechannen,

That's a good point, what's more the line is a strawman. The *real* argument may go something more like advanced users not appreciating having their platform dumbed down for nonsavy users. Instead of addressing the real argument, shuttleworth chose to argue against a strawman.

(If I'm wrong and someone actually did say what shuttleworth is quoting, can someone key me in with the source? Thanks)

IMHO a desktop OS can be powerful and friendly at the same time, and Ubuntu was doing a great job of it until a few years ago when I left the OS for Mint which was doing a better job at being a user driven OS whereas Ubuntu became a fiat os.

Edited 2013-03-08 18:24 UTC

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Lunitik Member since:
2005-08-07

You say user-driven, but where are the users for Mint or Linux in general? Desktop Linux has failed, seeing this, Canonical has decided to try to create something that can change that situation. Linux Mint is for people who resist change at all costs, they have essentially recreated Windows 95 out of a modern desktop - its underpinnings are still essentially Gnome Shell.

Why would people move to Linux when there is nothing appealing which is actually tangible? Sure, there is the story about low cost, but for most computer users, the OS is free anyway when they buy their computer - few actually care that the price is included in the purchase. Unity Touch is truly stunning, and is already getting rave reviews by the mainstream. People actually want Linux because it is better, not because it is cheap.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Lunitik,
"Linux Mint is for people who resist change at all costs, they have essentially recreated Windows 95 out of a modern desktop - its underpinnings are still essentially Gnome Shell."

I sincerely think you'll find that people like myself abandoned Ubuntu *not* because we're opposed to change at all costs, but because of Ubuntu's attitude that we should accept their changes regardless of how useful it is for us.

We understand that gnome2 was an aging code base and we are in fact happy to participate with the next generation desktop, however we don't believe in dumbing down our desktops with replacements that drop features and whose primary assets are eye candy.

The message to shuttleworth: go ahead and make a friendly desktop, but apply more common sense in making features that look good and work well for pros. Above all, listen to your users (for god's sake this shouldn't even need to be said!) Make the desktop flexible enough to be configured how WE want it. We want to promote linux by making it powerful and easy, not by dumbing it down. By ignoring us, you may be making more enemies and throwing away an opportunity to make a truly better linux desktop for everyone.

Edited 2013-03-09 02:39 UTC

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Yoko_T Member since:
2011-08-18

You say user-driven, but where are the users for Mint or Linux in general? Desktop Linux has failed, seeing this, Canonical has decided to try to create something that can change that situation. Linux Mint is for people who resist change at all costs, they have essentially recreated Windows 95 out of a modern desktop - its underpinnings are still essentially Gnome Shell.


Wrong-O. Gnome3,Unity and Windows 8 and the rest of that ilk are *NOT* Modern Desktops/OS's.

They are piles of reeking crap meant for asshat's like yourself who are too f*cking stupid to turn off a computer when you're *NOT* using it.

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raboof Member since:
2005-07-24

the line is a strawman. (...) If I'm wrong and someone actually did say what shuttleworth is quoting, can someone key me in with the source? Thanks


I'm not sure if he quoted something specific, but unfortunately I do recognize the attitude he describes. In fact just this week I got a rather similar response in the #archlinux IRC channel (though they don't appear to have any public logs).

As for sources, a google for "you should not be using linux" turns up some of it.

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jimmmy Member since:
2012-01-02

But what does that have to do with rolling releases? What does that have to do with display servers like Mir, Wayland, and x11? The technical details of all of the above is not relevant to the novice which isn't going to know which technologies are in play. The details are invisible to them as they should be.

Being right about elitism=bullying=wrong doesn't automatically make you right about everything else. It really feels like he's deliberately trying to throw the conversation off topic.

It's amazing people keep falling for this kind of thing.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

The *real* argument may go something more like advanced users not appreciating having their platform dumbed down for nonsavy users.


And that's why we have a choice of a large number of different distros.
Seriously, this sounds a lot like those folks who brag about how they liked certain bands before they "sold out and became popular".

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