Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Mar 2013 23:07 UTC
Windows "A senior Samsung Electronics executive said Friday the launch of Windows 8 has failed to bolster demand for PCs and he does not expect the PC industry to rebound soon." Of course, Samsung and other OEMs could've, you know, built better computers. Just a suggestion.
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This is bad.
by Nelson on Fri 8th Mar 2013 23:27 UTC
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

This bodes very badly for Windows 8, and the situation is quickly running off of the rails.

Microsoft has slashed the prices of the Windows 8 licenses to create an incentive for lower prices across the product range.

They also made a comparison to Windows Vista, which I think is fair. Vista launched with problems (different problems, mind you, but problems) which hindered its reception (relative to Windows sales, it still sold a ton) but what happened with Vista was quite peculiar, and I think maybe be repeated by Windows 8 (but maybe not, see below)

Vista launched with performance, stability, and architectural deficiencies that took forever to get fixed. By the time the kinks in Vista were ironed out, Windows 7 was already being whispered about in tech circles.

It just never caught on because 7 came out and fixed all the problems, had the shiny object effect, and as a result had a great reception.

Windows 8 is a true paradigm change in that the way computers are sold is changing, the experiences people expect, the hardware people want. The market is different.

Windows 8 suffers from a serial lack of seriousness from OEMs. If there ever was a case for Microsoft to go (slightly more) vertical it's the terrible showing OEMs have had with their gear.

It is egregious the shortage of touch screen Windows 8 devices that were available at launch. I walked into Best Buy and saw devices that basically looked like they took the Windows 7 sticker off of them, slapped a Windows 8 sticker on, and sold it with Windows 8.


However, not all the blame is to go on OEMs. Microsoft royally f--ked up here too:


1. They completely screwed up the trackpad experience. Why isn't there a reference implementation of this? Why does every OEM have to implement gestures in the trackpad on their own?

Some laptops scroll by swiping side to side, some up and down (wtf?) and some scroll in opposite directions. Its madness. Who the hell wants that?

2. They seriously f--ked up the Windows RT messaging. Its useless. Kill Windows RT for 10 inch devices. Bring it back for Windows Blue when you hit the rumored 7 inch screens.

At the screen size, people don't care about running desktop apps anyway so RT is a natural fit. Plus it gives SoC vendors more time to get their firmwares up to snuff.

Intel is more than good enough for Microsoft's entire range (GPUs are lacking, yeah, but its really not that big of a deal. I'm ignorant on how well AMD fares here, so if someone knows, feel free to comment)

3. They position Windows 8 as a transitional release, but don't really do transitional things. Why can't I pin Metro apps to my taskbar?

Why can't Win32 apps take advantage of the new XAML stack? Why are some parts of XAML very rough when it comes to Mouse and Keyboard support?

And, why the hell can't people compile their own ARM based ports on Windows RT? What's the reasoning behind it, other than purposely creating friction?

If it kills battery life then make it a toggle. Android hides non-Market apps behind a toggle. It works fine for them.

4. Boneheaded decisions in Metro.

A 30 second intro video to the f--king charms bar isn't going to cut it. Hot corners are a stupid idea. I'm not sure why they're even visible on the desktop. They don't do anything.

And for f--ks sake, just allow boot to desktop behind a toggle. Get people to shut up about this already.

5. If you're going to alienate and piss off OEMs by launching Surface, then make it more than a half hearted effort.

Either rapidly ramp up your retail footprint with Microsoft Stores, sell them in every place traditional OEMs are sold at, or a combination of both.

Get serious about Surface, or kill it. Don't try to play both sides of the coin.

How Windows 8 might not be like Vista

If Microsoft can in the short term fix their messaging and point of sale issues AND implement sensible improvements to Windows Blue and get it out by October, they could avoid a lot of the stigma associated with Vista.

Edited 2013-03-08 23:30 UTC

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RE: This is bad.
by WorknMan on Fri 8th Mar 2013 23:41 in reply to "This is bad."
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

This bodes very badly for Windows 8, and the situation is quickly running off of the rails.


I'm not going to comment on Windows 8 here, but I am curious as to, even had Windows 8 been a smashing success, how anybody thought this was going to drive the demand for new PCs? Most PCs that can run Windows XP can also run Win7, and by extension, Win8. There's no reason for most people to run out and buy a new PC just for the upgrade.

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RE: This is bad.
by ze_jerkface on Sat 9th Mar 2013 03:26 in reply to "This is bad."
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Windows 8 suffers from a serial lack of seriousness from OEMs. If there ever was a case for Microsoft to go (slightly more) vertical it's the terrible showing OEMs have had with their gear.

I think they should stop waiting for OEMS and create a tablet. They should call it Surface and spend hundreds of millions on dance commercials during prime time in an attempt to convince people it is cool. That sounds like a good plan.

Or they could listen to customers and fix the stupid thing overnight. We'll see if Microsoft continues to delve deeper into stupid and if you'll continue to defend them and this inane plan.

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RE[2]: This is bad.
by Nelson on Sat 9th Mar 2013 05:29 in reply to "RE: This is bad."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


I think they should stop waiting for OEMS and create a tablet. They should call it Surface and spend hundreds of millions on dance commercials during prime time in an attempt to convince people it is cool. That sounds like a good plan.

Or they could listen to customers and fix the stupid thing overnight. We'll see if Microsoft continues to delve deeper into stupid and if you'll continue to defend them and this inane plan.


Only in your fanatical pea brain could my entire scathing commentary be construed as a defense.

I quite significantly disagree with them on things, have conceded other things in light of discussion, and defend them for other things.

I'm not consistently for or consistently against them in every position they take, across everything that they do.

I'm however waiting for the day when you can have a rational discussion without your man crush for Sinofsky or Ballmer showing.

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RE: This is bad.
by WereCatf on Sat 9th Mar 2013 04:12 in reply to "This is bad."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

1. They completely screwed up the trackpad experience. Why isn't there a reference implementation of this? Why does every OEM have to implement gestures in the trackpad on their own?


That's something that bothers me: I have an ALPS touchpad on my laptop and, well, there is no way of disabling the gestures for bringing up the charms bar or switching between apps or anything, yet Synaptics-users can atleast disable those via registry. It's extremely frustrating to have the charms bar pop up when you're in the middle of doing something.

Similarly, most touchpads these days offer multi-finger gestures like e.g. scrolling by placing two fingers on it and then swiping in one or another direction. However, with my ALPS it either scrolls really, really, REALLY slow, or it immediately scrolls all the way to the other end, and there is no way of configuring this behaviour in either the ALPS - configuration utility or Windows 8 itself.

Basically, if Microsoft wants such gestures to become common-place they really need to make sure that they work the same on all touchpads and are actually configurable the same way on them all.

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RE: This is bad.
by Fergy on Sat 9th Mar 2013 21:55 in reply to "This is bad."
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Windows 8 is a true paradigm change in that the way computers are sold is changing, the experiences people expect, the hardware people want. The market is different.

Changing the way computers are sold, the experiences people expect and the hardware people want has nothing to do with the OS. You only need an OS that gives you the freedom to make it into what you want(android/linux) and OEMs go nuts with innovation. Give them a stale platform with useless features forced upon you and they'll just yawn.
What people want: 1. no maintenance 2. freedom to make it do what you want 3. provide choices on low, medium and high prices

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RE[2]: This is bad.
by darknexus on Sun 10th Mar 2013 00:03 in reply to "RE: This is bad."
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

You call it "innovation" what the netbook OEMs did with Linux, do you? You've a strange definition for that word. Keep the OEMs out of it. They're only interested in implementing a little bling and flash, then never touching that product line again. Case in point: HTC and Samsung. When's the last time you got a major Android update for a phone that's not the very latest from those two? Meanwhile you have to deal with stupid crap like Touchwiz or Sense, and run an outdated and insecure version of Android unlesss you want to flash a custom ROM. You want these OEMs to continue to have a say? They have botched every opportunity they've ever had to improve our computing experience.

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RE[2]: This is bad.
by Nelson on Sun 10th Mar 2013 08:47 in reply to "RE: This is bad."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

a wild OEM defender appears

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RE: This is bad.
by unclefester on Sun 10th Mar 2013 05:01 in reply to "This is bad."
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13


It is egregious the shortage of touch screen Windows 8 devices that were available at launch. I walked into Best Buy and saw devices that basically looked like they took the Windows 7 sticker off of them, slapped a Windows 8 sticker on, and sold it with Windows 8.


I bought a runout model Windows 7 Acer laptop last December. It was totally identical to the Windows 8 model only $250 cheaper.

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