Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 9th Mar 2013 15:42 UTC
Games "For nearly thirty years we've been having this discussion, asking the question: do violent movies, music or video games make people violent? Well according to Brad Bushman and Craig Anderson of Iowa State University, yes. Based on the results of their research they concluded in 2001 that video games and violent media can make people aggressive and violent. Based upon their data and their conclusions, however, it's safe to say that photos of snakes, crispy bacon, or a particularly rigorous game of chess can also make people aggressive and violent." And politicians?
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People take this stuff too lightly
by WorknMan on Sat 9th Mar 2013 17:47 UTC
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

I think a lot of people are under the impression that, "Well, I play a lot of violent video games and I'm not out shooting people, so they must be completely harmless, right?" IMO, that is a much too simplistic point of view. I'm not sure how people think they can play these kinds of games for hours on end where you're shooting up and/or murdering other players/computer opponents, and it not have SOME sort of effect on you, even if those effects are too subtle to notice.

Now, please don't misunderstand me... I am NOT suggesting we ban these, anymore than I think we should be banning junk food. I'm just of the opinion that EVERYTHING that goes into your mind has an effect on you, just like food; there's not too many things you can eat or drink that are completely neutral. And I'd personally steer clear of these games until we have a better understanding of what those effects are. And yes, I feel the same way about violent movies/music. Sure, I might go see a violent action flick from time to time, but I treat those just like I would donuts... junk food for the mind, to be consumed in moderation. I have found, however, that the less I consume of this entertainment, it gets just a little more disturbing every time I see it, and I don't enjoy it as much.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

It's however not the reason for violence. Like some gun proponents claim. There are a lot of things that make people violent, one of which is religious views.

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hussam Member since:
2006-08-17

It's however not the reason for violence. Like some gun proponents claim. There are a lot of things that make people violent, one of which is religious views.

from a theoretical or social view, yes.
from a practical view, no. ban civilians from carrying weapons and no one gets hurt. we can't always hide behind principles. sometimes we need to look for strict practical answers.

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Vinegar Joe Member since:
2006-08-16

There are a lot of things that make people violent, one of which is religious views.

From what religion would those views be?

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

I think a lot of people are under the impression that, "Well, I play a lot of violent video games and I'm not out shooting people, so they must be completely harmless, right?" IMO, that is a much too simplistic point of view. I'm not sure how people think they can play these kinds of games for hours on end where you're shooting up and/or murdering other players/computer opponents, and it not have SOME sort of effect on you, even if those effects are too subtle to notice.

Now, please don't misunderstand me... I am NOT suggesting we ban these, anymore than I think we should be banning junk food. I'm just of the opinion that EVERYTHING that goes into your mind has an effect on you, just like food; there's not too many things you can eat or drink that are completely neutral. And I'd personally steer clear of these games until we have a better understanding of what those effects are. And yes, I feel the same way about violent movies/music. Sure, I might go see a violent action flick from time to time, but I treat those just like I would donuts... junk food for the mind, to be consumed in moderation. I have found, however, that the less I consume of this entertainment, it gets just a little more disturbing every time I see it, and I don't enjoy it as much.

So thinking about violence makes you violent? Then why do sports make you violent? Do you think Dexter will create a generation of serial killers? Why do violent crimes happen less when people have been consuming more violent tv/games/books/sports/music these last hundred years.

IMHO violent people will be violent. They just use inspiration from sources they like(games/books/lyrics/movies)

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

So thinking about violence makes you violent?


Can you read through my post again and point out exactly where I said that? Why does being violent have to be the ONLY negative side-effect of violent entertainment?

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I think a lot of people are under the impression that, "Well, I play a lot of violent video games and I'm not out shooting people, so they must be completely harmless, right?" IMO, that is a much too simplistic point of view. I'm not sure how people think they can play these kinds of games for hours on end where you're shooting up and/or murdering other players/computer opponents, and it not have SOME sort of effect on you, even if those effects are too subtle to notice.


Everything we do, see or hear in our lives does have an effect on us, but you're assuming that consuming violent games has a negative effect on us. The thing is, people react to things differently: some people get aggressive when playing violent games, some people actually relax and get less aggressive, and then there are the unstable ones that may act in one or another completely random way.

On a similar note, you're assuming that seeing violence desensitivizes you and makes you not care about other people getting hurt, but that's again a terribly one-sided assumption. I, for example, understand violence and its effects BETTER the more I see it -- not the opposite -- and am even less likely to commit some violent act.

As for the school-shootings and similar situations where the person committing the act was a gamer? Well, you may not have noticed that in almost all of the cases it was a person who was mentally ill, but wasn't receiving (enough) treatment. The thing about unstable, mentally ill people is that the trigger that makes them go over the board could literally be anything, it just has to happen at an opportune time. The way to fix that would be treating the people, not blaming everything that happens to act as the trigger.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Everything we do, see or hear in our lives does have an effect on us, but you're assuming that consuming violent games has a negative effect on us. The thing is, people react to things differently: some people get aggressive when playing violent games, some people actually relax and get less aggressive, and then there are the unstable ones that may act in one or another completely random way.

On a similar note, you're assuming that seeing violence desensitivizes you and makes you not care about other people getting hurt


I think you assume too much about what I assume ;) I do agree with your first sentence though... everything we do, see, or hear has an effect on us. And I think we can conclude that those effects are either positive or negative. I will readily admit that I do not understand all of the ramifications involved; I'm just not sure what sort of positive effect can come out of engaging in hours of simulated murder. Again, I think it's rather naive for people to believe that, because we don't all turn into violent mass murderers as a result of playing these games, then the effects of playing them must obviously be positive.

If I haven't made my point abundantly clear yet, I am not making ANY sort of claim about what SPECIFIC effects these games have on people, only that the total overall effect is either positive or negative. And if it isn't positive, people need to understand that it is hurting them in SOME way. That doesn't necessarily mean we have to avoid them altogether; just treat them like eating a doughnut - something to be enjoyed in moderation, but realizing that overall, it's bad for us.

Edited 2013-03-10 22:06 UTC

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

On a similar note, you're assuming that seeing violence desensitivizes you


Well, of course it does but that is balanced by the fact that few people do nothing else but watch ultra-violence all day.

Does violent games make you violent? Under the right circumstance, sure, but no one lives under those conditions and they could very rarely exist outside a controlled experiment.

This is of course not limited to games and movies. Keep someone isolated and feed them nothing but gruesome and desensitizing literature for years on end and you'll have the same result, especially if you start at an early age.

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franzrogar Member since:
2012-05-17

I'm sorry, I'm still laughting with yout post title:

"People take this stuff too lightly"

Well, OF COURSE we do. Why? Because this stuff is just the BIGGEST FOOLISHNESS on the human history.

Must I remember you that it was "normal" to sell your childs, abandon them to their luck, starve to death and having to kill for eat, etc. a century back? (I know that also happens nowadays)

If you say "seeing/reading" (movies, books) or "interacting" (games) just make them violent, oh, wait, actually DOING WORST THINGS would have made the humanity not humans but MONSTERS.

Seriously, you should LIVE more and LET LIVE the others. Stop being ignorants.

Should I remember you that who wanted to rip Snow White's heart out of her chest was HER MOTHER?

Edited 2013-03-10 11:47 UTC

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banatibor Member since:
2012-07-02

Frustration makes you aggressive not aggressive and violent games. A couple years ago I was a "gamer" I played about 10 hour in a day, but I never was aggressive with others. Instead, after a couple of hour successful shooting I felt myself calm and relaxed.
Struggling with a game makes you tense and the lack of success makes you aggressive. Of course there is people who takes games too seriously but I am sure that they have other more serious problems than game generated aggression.

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