Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Mar 2013 16:13 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Mark Shuttleworth: "I simply have zero interest in the crowd who wants to be different. Leet. 'Linux is supposed to be hard so it's exclusive' is just the dumbest thing that a smart person could say." He's right. Lots of interesting insights in this blog post - I may not agree with everything Ubuntu does, but at least it's doing something.
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RE[8]: Comment by Laurence
by lucas_maximus on Sun 10th Mar 2013 13:35 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Laurence"
lucas_maximus
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2009-08-18

When are they any of those?



Making cheap shots is what you are good at. Missing the point when you know what the other person is saying is another thing. Having your head up your own arse and making snarky comments is another.

Canonical have pretty much killed any chance of Linux as a gaming platform because they aren't going to include Wayland and instead work on their own display server.

I like Microsoft's stuff. It works for me, but every criticism I made about Linux is the one reason why it doesn't get anywhere as a desktop OS for the masses.

I even quite like using Linux when I get the chance to tinker.

Every fork of Linux that is commercially successful is always either embedded or tightly controlled by one company (Android, Chrome OS) or is used used in "Enterprise" scenarios (Redhat, Suse).

MacOSX is the desktop *nix, like it or not.

Edited 2013-03-10 13:45 UTC

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RE[9]: Comment by Laurence
by Laurence on Mon 11th Mar 2013 09:23 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by Laurence"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


Making cheap shots is what you are good at. Missing the point when you know what the other person is saying is another thing. Having your head up your own arse and making snarky comments is another.

How ironic when it was your "I've work with people like you before" comment that first lowered the tone.


Canonical have pretty much killed any chance of Linux as a gaming platform because they aren't going to include Wayland and instead work on their own display server.

It's those conclusive statements about situations you can't even pretend to know the final outcome of that make your arguments so ridiculous.

I do agree with you that Canonical's move is really going to fuck things up (and not just for gaming). In fact that was my opening argument in this thread. However it's more than a little premature to be making any conclusions when Mir isn't anything more than an announcement.

And this is where your arguments keep falling down. You accuse me of missing the point yet you're constantly jumping to conclusions.


I even quite like using Linux when I get the chance to tinker.

There is your problem; you load a hands on distro to tinker with rather than an "it just works" distro. Then complain that Linux doesn't "just work" like Windows.


Every fork of Linux that is commercially successful is always either embedded or tightly controlled by one company (Android, Chrome OS) or is used used in "Enterprise" scenarios (Redhat, Suse).

No shit Sherlock. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to employ developers, designers, advertisers and so on? And you can't have commercial success without having a company running in the first bloody place.

But no, apparently in your world Linux should be commercially successful without anyone working full time on it and without any companies to back it. Apparently software becomes successful by magic.


MacOSX is the desktop *nix, like it or not.

...and your point is that there's only room for one UNIX-like OS on the desktop?

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RE[10]: Comment by Laurence
by lucas_maximus on Mon 11th Mar 2013 10:40 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by Laurence"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

How ironic when it was your "I've work with people like you before" comment that first lowered the tone.


It depends how you choose to take it.

And this is where your arguments keep falling down. You accuse me of missing the point yet you're constantly jumping to conclusions.


Because they are the natural conclusion to jump to.

The canonical going their own way, MIR is going to be buggy as hell for the first few releases. Valve is going to start asking them what they are playing at.

There is enough issues trying to get games that worked on Windows 7 and Vista to work on 8 (Crysis just won't launch unless I really fiddle). How do you think it is going to play out on a different kernel, userspace etc? Even John Carmack has said they should probably just invest efforts into WINE instead.

Sorry it is not called jumping to conclusions it about reading between the lines.

There is your problem; you load a hands on distro to tinker with rather than an "it just works" distro. Then complain that Linux doesn't "just work" like Windows.


I don't expect it to work like Windows, However I can do this thing called looking at it from a different point of view.

Other people don't care how something works as long as it works.


No shit Sherlock. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to employ developers, designers, advertisers and so on? And you can't have commercial success without having a company running in the first bloody place.

But no, apparently in your world Linux should be commercially successful without anyone working full time on it and without any companies to back it. Apparently software becomes successful by magic.


Yes I do understand the expenses.

Which is why I said fragmentation is a problem, resources being split because of stupid arguments in the community. The currently small amount of resources aren't being focused.

Linus's mentality doesn't help either.

Apparently while we are name calling, that was too much of a stretch in your imagination.

...and your point is that there's only room for one UNIX-like OS on the desktop?


No that isn't what I meant. I am saying that is the only one at the moment which is getting it right.

A lot of prominent people have moved from MacOSX in the JS community and I have spoken to people at work who have done the same ... they don't have time to fiddle any longer and MacOSX has the tools they need and they are happy to pay the premium.

Now it seems you are jumping to conclusions ;-).

Edited 2013-03-11 10:54 UTC

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