Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 10th Mar 2013 13:07 UTC
Multimedia, AV A few days ago, Google and the MPEG-LA announced that they had come to an agreement under which Google received a license for techniques in VP8 that may infringe upon MPEG-LA patents (note the 'if any'). Only a few days later, we learn the real reason behind Google and the MPEG-LA striking a deal, thanks to The H Open, making it clear that the MPEG-LA has lost. Big time. Update: Chris Montgomery: "The wording suggests Google paid some money to grease this along, and the agreement wording is interesting [and instructive] but make no mistake: Google won. Full stop."
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RE: Comment by Nelson
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 10th Mar 2013 15:29 UTC in reply to "Comment by Nelson"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

While the MPEG LA might have gotten their share, things remain more dubious for VP8 because there are likely legitimate stake owners with patents that are not part of the deal with the MPEG LA and are not obligated to any FRAND terms.


Sigh.

You do realise that the same applies to H.264, right? A patent holder who didn't pledge his patent to MPEG-LA could just as much target H.264 as it could target VP8. This point has been raised a million times over the years, and H.264 and MPEG-LA supporters never address it.

Edited 2013-03-10 15:30 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Sun 10th Mar 2013 15:38 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Great, allow me to address it then: It doesn't matter.

What does matter is VP8 proponents claiming that VP8 is magically safer. No one is claiming that H264 is completely absolved from any and all patent risk, precisely because such a claim is absurd.

This has never been about saying that H264 is safer, but that VP8 is not safer.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by bowkota on Sun 10th Mar 2013 16:11 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
bowkota Member since:
2011-10-12

Great, allow me to address it then: It doesn't matter.

What does matter is VP8 proponents claiming that VP8 is magically safer. No one is claiming that H264 is completely absolved from any and all patent risk, precisely because such a claim is absurd.

This has never been about saying that H264 is safer, but that VP8 is not safer.


Here's a list of the H.264 licencors, just look at how long that list is and the names on it. http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensors.aspx

On the other hand, you have Google, the biggest advertiser on the planet (their major(only?) source of profit) with VP8.

What a dilemma.

Edited 2013-03-10 16:12 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by Vanders on Sun 10th Mar 2013 23:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

What does matter is VP8 proponents claiming that VP8 is magically safer.


No one is claiming that and no one has ever claimed that,

No one is claiming that H264 is completely absolved from any and all patent risk, precisely because such a claim is absurd. This has never been about saying that H264 is safer, but that VP8 is not safer.


Except that's wrong.

Until last week people were quick to claim that VP8 was "unsafe" (hell, even Apple made this claim). There were plenty of people asking why Google wouldn't indemnify VP8 users yet completely ignoring the fact that MPEG-LA didn't indemnify H.264 licensor's.

The double standard was hilarious at the time, now it's just pathetic.

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