Linked by KLU9 on Mon 18th Mar 2013 09:22 UTC
Apple Every year on World Consumer Rights Day (March 15), government-controlled China Central Television (CCTV) broadcasts a special report (in Chinese) damning companies for abusing Chinese consumers. This year the targets included Apple. Apple was accused of giving Chinese consumers worse service than customers in other countries, specifically of giving them replacements that included cases from their old phone, while customers in the UK would get a 100% new product.
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Pricing in China
by Priest on Mon 18th Mar 2013 10:04 UTC
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2006-05-12

Do items in china cost as much to buy as in the US? Also, people keep blasting Apple for Foxconn suicides but Foxconn had 4 suicides in 2011, 1 suicide in 2012 and employ a million people. Media that covers the suicides never seems to mention they employ more people than the population of a large city.

There were 349 suicides in the United States military last year and there are 1.4 million active and 900k reserve personnel.

That means the suicide rate for Foxconn workers is nearly 100 times higher than for the united states military and if I remember right it was near or lower than the United States national average.

In 2012 due to pressure from Apple over working conditions Foxconn cut worker overtime to a max of 36 hours a month. That averages to just 8 hours a week of overtime. It's barely my standard work week.

I'm willing to bet Apple is sick of people giving them crap about China.

Edited 2013-03-18 10:07 UTC

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RE: Pricing in China
by MOS6510 on Mon 18th Mar 2013 10:41 in reply to "Pricing in China"
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2011-05-12

I'm not doubting what you wrote, but I do think people at Foxconn and similar companies have pretty crappy jobs and don't get very paid very well while Apple has piles of money in the bank collecting dust.

The world would be a happier place if work conditions improved and the workers could benefit from Apple's success.

BTW it's not just Apple, it's also other companies that have no problem with Chinese companies exploiting Chinese people.

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RE[2]: Pricing in China
by Priest on Mon 18th Mar 2013 11:31 in reply to "RE: Pricing in China"
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Foxconn is considered one of the best companies to work for in China. It is a 40 - 48 hour week of factory work. Hundreds of people show up every day to apply for jobs.

Every single job I have ever worked in the US was over a 40 hour week. At times in the military I worked close to 120 hours a week doing work that was demanding for like $20k/year. I've worked numerous jobs where 80+ work weeks were not uncommon.

I know for a fact that many of the largest companies in the united states abuse "salary exempt" status of workers to circumvent labor laws for overtime. The suit brought against EA games by wives of their workers is a great example of that.

There is always some deadline or temporary constraint that serves as a carrot on a stick. Americans on average work as many or more hours than just about any country in the world with South Korea being the one real exception.

Americans make significantly more than workers in China but it's a totally different economy. There are several major cities/employment centers in the US where 3 bedroom houses are over $500,000 + taxes etc.

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RE[2]: Pricing in China
by Vinegar Joe on Mon 18th Mar 2013 11:51 in reply to "RE: Pricing in China"
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2006-08-16

"I do think people at Foxconn and similar companies have pretty crappy jobs...."

I don't think you have any idea what a "crappy job" is. I suggest you work construction, outdoors, when the temperature is around 0 degrees F and the wind blowing 15 miles per hour.

Edited 2013-03-18 11:53 UTC

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RE: Pricing in China
by Soulbender on Mon 18th Mar 2013 12:30 in reply to "Pricing in China"
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2005-08-18

Do items in china cost as much to buy as in the US?


The fact that you may pay less in dollars is irrelevant, it's the same product and therefore it should have the same kind of replacements. (Presuming this is true, of course).

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RE[2]: Pricing in China
by someone on Mon 18th Mar 2013 12:35 in reply to "RE: Pricing in China"
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2006-01-12

The blog did not translate this part, but Apple's practice of retaining the back panel of the old phone in the replacement was supposedly a way to get around a Chinese law that require them to reset the warranty period when they offer a replacement product. This way, they can claim that the replacement was really a "repair".

Edited 2013-03-18 12:40 UTC

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RE: Pricing in China
by KLU9 on Mon 18th Mar 2013 13:44 in reply to "Pricing in China"
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2006-12-06

Many items cost significantly more in China than outside, due not only to taxes but also a prestige premium that people are willing to pay for certain brands just for being that brand. e.g. 83% more for a Starbucks coffee in China than US.

This infographic shows some factors that account for the price premium in China.

http://www.east-west-connect.com/china-foreign-brand-prices

(although that graphic includes baby milk formula in the Netherlands, which I believe is subsidised by the government... which has led to yet another problem http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/03/from-one-hub-a-view-of-chinas-... )

EDIT: I made a mistake about teh infographic, corrected.

Edited 2013-03-18 13:47 UTC

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RE[2]: Pricing in China
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 18th Mar 2013 21:02 in reply to "RE: Pricing in China"
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2006-07-14

That's interesting. Although, China has a reputation for grey market goods. How much does that factor in? From what I understand, fake apparel is par for the course there.

Obviously, a lot more difficult to fake a Jeep, than a watch. So Jeeps probably aren't faked.

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