Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Mar 2013 15:51 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Thorsten Heins, BlackBerry's CEO: "Apple did a fantastic job in bringing touch devices to market ... They did a fantastic job with the user interface, they are a design icon. There is a reason why they were so successful, and we actually have to admit this and respect that. History repeats itself again I guess ... the rate of innovation is so high in our industry that if you don't innovate at that speed you can be replaced pretty quickly. The user interface on the iPhone, with all due respect for what this invention was all about is now five years old." Ironic, perhaps, that this comes from a BlackBerry CEO, but that doesn't make him wrong - although I'm sure the usual suspects will claim that it does.
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RE[2]: He's right but
by Tony Swash on Tue 19th Mar 2013 00:17 UTC in reply to "RE: He's right but"
Tony Swash
Member since:
2009-08-22

He didn't say Apple wasn't successful. He said iOS has become stale.

To put it differently, Apple's success does not mean they are innovative; similarly, Microsoft's failure (so far) with Windows Phone does not mean Microsoft is not innovative there.

But yes, this has become a common spin in certain circles, you're right there. Back when Apple was an also-ran, we were told that numbers didn't matter. Now that Apple is highly successful, they suddenly do. It's somewhat entertaining to watch these massive 180s in pro-Apple circle (not necessarily you, by the way).



I think what's changed is that there is no Steve Jobs to hand hold, reassure and excite the sceptical. When Jobs was around there was a constant narrative of change and innovation at Apple which was very powerful and very persuasive. That narrative was rooted in a real process of change and innovation at Apple but the real process was, and is, very opaque and difficult for many tech observers to understand or accept because much of it runs counter to the (empty) shibboleths of tech cultural discourse (exemplified by the vacuous 'opens always beats' sort of piffle). So Jobs role as master of ceremonies and magician in chief helped calm the nerves of tech observers, they still couldn't understand how Apple had made the apparently startling and sudden transition from a side show to the biggest show in town, but the belief in the special genius of Jobs and his magic helped ease their confusion. It turns out that Jobs mattered to sceptical tech observers far more than to the fans, supporters or believers in Apple.

The reasons I say all this is that the notion that Apple is slowing it's pace of innovation, other than just being the latest tech junk journalism fad, is rooted in a misremembering of how Apple actually innovated in the past. The pattern at Apple for the last decade or more has been occasional stunning and utterly disruptive new product launches that spark a massive new line of products and new areas of large business growth followed by the slow iterative polishing of the products, the restrained diversification of models within product lines and the steady building of a deep ecosystem and service stack to wrap around the break through product lines.

The article contains a nicely done info-graphic on the Apple product innovation timeline.

http://www.applegazette.com/apple-inc/is-apple-taking-too-long-to-i...


It turns out that when you strip out some of the less significant stuff and concentrate on the big product pillars then the average time between major product innovation is three years and ten months. By that math, Apple is due to announce a fifth major pillar of its business around this October. That doesn't mean that they will but it does mean that the gap since the iPad was introduced is not particularly long by Apple standards.

The actual timeline of major product pillars is as follows:

iMac

3 years 4 months later

iPod

5 years 3 months later

iPhone

3 years

iPad

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RE[3]: He's right but
by kwan_e on Tue 19th Mar 2013 01:35 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right but"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

That narrative was rooted in a real process of change and innovation at Apple but the real process was, and is, very opaque and difficult for many tech observers to understand or accept because much of it runs counter to the (empty) shibboleths of tech cultural discourse (exemplified by the vacuous 'opens always beats' sort of piffle).


Oh Prophet of all things Apple, please continue to spread and interpret the narrative for us.

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RE[4]: He's right but
by Nelson on Tue 19th Mar 2013 02:55 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right but"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Oh come on, I think he made great points. It captures exactly what Steve Jobs did for Apple and why he did it so well.

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RE[3]: He's right but
by unclefester on Tue 19th Mar 2013 06:35 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right but"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

The only time Apple has ever suceeded is when the opposition has lost focus. As soon as other companies regain their focus Apple slowly degenerates to being a dismal failure.

Jobs was not a genius. He was a typical autistic technocrat - inflexible, unimaginative, autocratic and and obsessed with trivial details.

All Apples recent "innovations" including the iPad are nothing more than balatantly obvious iterations of the original iPhone.

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RE[4]: He's right but
by Nelson on Tue 19th Mar 2013 07:01 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right but"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Apple created the modern smartphone market.
Apple created the modern tablet market.

Created. Not just did what the next guy was doing. They created and defined these segments. They showed the competition how to design, market, package, and sell their products to end users.

Its telling that the whole of Android (including the shitload of Android dumb-phones people like to use to inflate marketshare) has trouble going up against a handful of iPhone models.

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RE[4]: He's right but
by Tony Swash on Tue 19th Mar 2013 10:47 in reply to "RE[3]: He's right but"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

The only time Apple has ever suceeded is when the opposition has lost focus. As soon as other companies regain their focus Apple slowly degenerates to being a dismal failure.


Just like the iPod and MP3 players?

Jobs was not a genius. He was a typical autistic technocrat - inflexible, unimaginative, autocratic and and obsessed with trivial details.


It turned out that those trivial details resonate deeply with the buying public whether you think they are important or not. Frankly the majority of tech products sold today, as always, are badly designed, ugly and depressingly often shoddy. It is painfully obvious to most consumers that most tech companies don't really care about their products and they certainly don't care about their customer much, as a few minutes of interaction with their customer support services would show. Is it that surprising that a company like Apple that decided to concentrate on selling a few well made and well designed products delivered with very high levels of customer support and service attracts large numbers of customer?

All Apples recent "innovations" including the iPad are nothing more than balatantly obvious iterations of the original iPhone.


As are almost all mobile devices. It was three years between the iPhone and the iPad and yet not one competitor thought of making an iPad before Apple. It's easy to see the obvious in hindsight, far harder to see it going forward.

As long as Apple's success is seen as an anomaly, and a probably short lived one at that, then the real reasons for Apple's success (which are very interesting by the way) will remain obscured and an understanding of the real dynamics of the tech markets will remain elusive,

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