Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Mar 2013 20:17 UTC
In the News "An incident at the annual Python developer conference has led to allegations of sexism, death threats, the firings of two people, and - apparently - multiple DDoS (distributed denial-of-service) attacks." Absolutely bizarre.
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Comment by vivainio
by vivainio on Thu 21st Mar 2013 21:40 UTC
vivainio
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2008-12-26

Apparently, Adria can have a difficult personality, so the stunt may not be as innocent/accidental screwup as we think:

https://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/

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by rafial on Thu 21st Mar 2013 21:53 in reply to "Comment by vivainio"
RE[2]: Comment by vivainio
by ronaldst on Thu 21st Mar 2013 23:40 in reply to "RE: Comment by vivainio"
ronaldst Member since:
2005-06-29

"woman who speaks up for herself"

Which is not the case here. No Joan D'Arc to be found anywhere in this idiot story. Only white knights and a bigot.

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RE[2]: Comment by vivainio
by Soulbender on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 02:40 in reply to "RE: Comment by vivainio"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

No, it's mean's your an ass, regardless of sex. Being a woman does not give a free pass to be an ass any more than being a man does.

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RE[2]: Comment by vivainio
by atsureki on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 12:26 in reply to "RE: Comment by vivainio"
atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

Men with "difficult personalities" are a dime a dozen in the tech sphere. None of them get near the ration of virulent hatred that a woman who speaks up does. We see this kind of behavior online on a practically weekly basis.

And lets be frank. "Difficult personality" when applied to a woman is usually just code for "woman who speaks up for herself."


You're right, but in the wrong context. I don't think your comment deserves to be so far down, but neither do I think Ms. Richards deserves the benefit of the doubt. It's clear from her history that she prefers to escalate conflict rather than resolve it.

But the feelings and double standards you point to are real, and the worst thing is, as the parent comment's link points out, her actions only make it worse. Instead of trying to change the tone of the room, she decided to escalate hostilities.

Being fired will only validate her persecution complex. For the man making the jokes, being fired is not a lesson in sympathy, but in fearing bullies. For the rest of the culture, having Adria Richards as an example reinforces the notion that feminism is irrational, aggressive, humorless, and dangerous. For women in the industry, employers may learn to weigh a fear of this kind of incident against an applicant's competence. No one comes out of this better for it. But hey, she scored some press. To quote the linked blog post:

All she had to consider was “what outcome am I looking for?”. If the outcome is “change the way these men are speaking” she’d have taken a different route. If “make as big a deal of this as humanly possible with no thought to consequence” was her outcome, she chose right.

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