Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 11:08 UTC
Apple "European Union regulators are examining the contracts Apple strikes with cellphone carriers that sell its iPhone for possible antitrust violations after several carriers complained that the deals throttled competition." Well paint me red and call me a girl scout.
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big sigh
by bram on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 16:13 UTC
bram
Member since:
2009-04-03

This makes me sigh out loud.
Please....

Don't those EU nitwits not remember what it was like BEFORE the iPhone? All the power residing with carriers eff-ing over the customers.

Let's go back to that era, and see more carrier abuse? What a great idea. If you think Apple's products are expensive, try using a dataplan abroad and come home to $30K bills.

Carriers need to be controlled, and what better way than to play them against eachother.

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RE: big sigh
by oskeladden on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 18:19 in reply to "big sigh"
oskeladden Member since:
2009-08-05

As the article says, it is not about carriers. It's about competitors. There seem to be three allegations:

(a) Apple's contracts with (at least some) smaller carriers are on terms that are more onerous than their contracts with larger companies.

(b) These terms are unusually strict (presumably, in comparison with industry practice). They do not apply to the US.

(c) The effect of the terms is to make it difficult for other handset makers to compete.

The last is, of course, key. Using your market power to impose terms that restrict your counterparties from dealing with your competitors is a textbook definition of an anticompetitive practice. If the allegations are true, there probably is a case to answer.

Edited 2013-03-22 18:21 UTC

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RE[2]: big sigh
by jared_wilkes on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 19:34 in reply to "RE: big sigh"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

(a) standard practice. Better clients get better treatment.

(b) that's your personal presumption. The small regional and MNVO carriers in the US certainly have similar terms.

(c) nonsense. Apple is unlikely to have more than 30% market share in a single European market. To say that Apple is so desirable that they can't not do business with them, but that doing business with Apple is so onerous that it prevents them from doing business with other clients is wanting to have your cake and eat it too ... and simply not supported by reality.

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RE[2]: big sigh
by WorknMan on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 23:10 in reply to "RE: big sigh"
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2005-11-13

(a) Apple's contracts with (at least some) smaller carriers are on terms that are more onerous than their contracts with larger companies.

(b) These terms are unusually strict (presumably, in comparison with industry practice). They do not apply to the US.

(c) The effect of the terms is to make it difficult for other handset makers to compete.


These are rather vague accusations ... kind of hard to comment on them without knowing what the actual disputed terms are.

I'm guessing it's not about letting carriers load the iPhone down with crapware though. I'm a strong believer in letting manufacturers dictate to carriers/OEMs what can and cannot be included with the default setup; we see what happened to Android and Windows when manufacturers lose this ability. End users end up with all kinds of shit on their devices, some of which cannot be removed.

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RE: big sigh
by Soulbender on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 03:03 in reply to "big sigh"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Carriers need to be controlled, and what better way than to play them against eachother.


And Apple doesn't because...they're all fluffy puppies and rainbows and really care about our well-being and are not ever anti-competitive?

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RE[2]: big sigh
by kristoph on Sun 24th Mar 2013 00:42 in reply to "RE: big sigh"
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

Apple is out the get the most money it can. That does not mean that they don't care (possibly more then anyone else) about the products they make.

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RE: big sigh
by JAlexoid on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 17:47 in reply to "big sigh"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

These EU nitwits made sure that we don't pay thousands of Euro in roaming fees, that our devices are cross compatible between all networks within Europe and demand that devices be unlockable.


PS: iPhone in Europe is one of the rare devices that is locked. So I don't know what EU you are talking about, but Apple brought more American carrier bull*** over to EU than there was right before iPhone.

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RE[2]: big sigh
by MOS6510 on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 19:41 in reply to "RE: big sigh"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

My iPhone isn't locked. I bought it like that in The Netherlands (Europe).

You can even buy them unlocked in the Amsterdam Apple store.

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