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Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu This could potentially be quite big for Ubuntu and Linux in general. Canonical and the Chinese government have announced a collaboration to build a version of Ubuntu specifically for the Chinese market, which will become the reference architecture for standard operating systems in the country.
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by kurkosdr on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 16:41 UTC
kurkosdr
Member since:
2011-04-11

You're going to be down-voted to all hell for daring to say this. (I'm about to join you.)

However, this is my experience as well.


I too wonder why the Linux fans get so touchy feely about this. X.org breaks upgrades so much that their friend Nixie Pixel even has a tutorial on how to fix it when it happen. Can't they, i dunno, adnit it? They remind me of scientologists, focusing on hushing the competition instead of accepting participating in a debate, as the downvoting of this comment will prove.

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by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 19:42 in reply to "Re:"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

While X.org has never broken one of my updates. I'm sure its possible, especially if you use binary graphics drivers.

Its well known that linux does not keep a stable binary kernel abi.

What would you expect as a debate topic, exactly? Why keeping a stable kernel abi would be a good thing?

Although Xorg is getting close to being replaced by Mir and Wayland, these issues will most likely remain, due to the kernel abi.

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RE[2]: Re:
by rft183 on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 20:18 in reply to "RE: Re:"
rft183 Member since:
2005-08-11

Yep, pretty much every time my X has broken, it was because of the binary drivers... Usually it is after a kernel update where the binary module doesn't update.

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by AdrianoML on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 00:48 in reply to "RE: Re:"
AdrianoML Member since:
2010-08-13

Correction, the kernel does not keep a stable kernel ABI for the DRIVERS.
The Linux kernel can afford doing this since almost every single driver is built-in right into it and every ABI change can be made in sync with the included drivers. This does makes the life of binary drivers harder, but providing you have good vendors live nVidia always updating, even before the stable kernel and xorg comes out, you don't feel the pain.

You should only get in trouble when using badly maintained binary blobs like catalyst and a few wi-fi drivers. You might also be in trouble if you keep track of this manually, regardless of how frequently updated the drivers are by the vendor. That's why you should never manually install it if you aren't an advanced user, and therefore you should solely rely on the distribution for this task.

And just to make the ABI thing clear, the Linux kernel DOES NOT BREAKS THE PROGRAM ABI/API. It has been solid for over two decades. You can trow in a binary game from about the year 2000 like Unreal Tournament and it will happily run.

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by lemur2 on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 10:20 in reply to "RE: Re:"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

While X.org has never broken one of my updates. I'm sure its possible, especially if you use binary graphics drivers.

Its well known that linux does not keep a stable binary kernel abi.

What would you expect as a debate topic, exactly? Why keeping a stable kernel abi would be a good thing?

Although Xorg is getting close to being replaced by Mir and Wayland, these issues will most likely remain, due to the kernel abi.



These issues disappear if you simply use the open source graphics drivers that come with the Linux kernel.

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RE: Re:
by Lennie on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 20:48 in reply to "Re:"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

I would have never expected anyone to even know who Nixie Pixel is and mention her on this site.

Someone with less than 20 million views on YouTube is hardly a worldwide celebrity.

Sometimes I wish she would ask someone what would be the best way to teach people certain tasks, because she doesn't always choose the easiest/best method.

Anyway I already spent to many words on her.

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RE: Re:
by nej_simon on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 22:05 in reply to "Re:"
nej_simon Member since:
2011-02-11

I too wonder why the Linux fans get so touchy feely about this. X.org breaks upgrades so much that their friend Nixie Pixel even has a tutorial on how to fix it when it happen. Can't they, i dunno, adnit it? They remind me of scientologists, focusing on hushing the competition instead of accepting participating in a debate, as the downvoting of this comment will prove.Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.3.4; el-gr; LG-P990 Build/GRJ23) AppleWebKit/533.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/533.1 MMS/LG-Android-MMS-V1.0/1.2


Generalize much? Not every Linux fan has the same ideas about everything.

Who is Nixie Pixel btw?

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by leech on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 22:39 in reply to "RE: Re:"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Nixie Pixel is a woman who does Youtube videos of tutorials on Linux.

Every time I try to watch her videos, all I hear is 'boobs boobs boobs'. Damn my male brain.

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by Soulbender on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 02:19 in reply to "RE: Re:"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Generalize much? Not every Linux fan has the same ideas about everything.


Dude, it's the interwebs. If you can't make a factual argument that sticks, generalizing (and personal attacks) is your best bet.

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by twitterfire on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 08:18 in reply to "RE: Re:"
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11


Who is Nixie Pixel btw?

As the OP said, friend of linux fans.

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RE: Re:
by Soulbender on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 02:11 in reply to "Re:"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

X.org breaks upgrades so much that their friend Nixie Pixel even has a tutorial on how to fix it when it happen.


Wow really? That must be why I can't even remember the last time an upgrade broke X (in either Linux or OpenBSD).

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by twitterfire on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 08:12 in reply to "Re:"
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11

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I too wonder why the Linux fans get so touchy feely about this. X.org breaks upgrades so much that their friend Nixie Pixel even has a tutorial on how to fix it when it happen. Can't they, i dunno, adnit it? They remind me of scientologists, focusing on hushing the competition instead of accepting participating in a debate, as the downvoting of this comment will prove


Sometimes I wonder if Eric S Raymond didn't make hundreds of accounts on some websites, trying to pose as different users.

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