Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 16:31 UTC
Windows Paul Thurrot: "Tipped off by a reader, I checked my System log in Event Viewer today and what did I find but a stack of pending updates for all of the core apps in Windows 8. I'm not 100 percent sure this is what I think it is. But if we're right, it looks like 18 of the core apps in Windows 8 are about to get updated. Or, almost all of them." Foley confirms it. By far Windows 8's weakest link, so I'm hoping this is true. Especially the Mail application is dreadful.
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by pandronic on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 17:09 UTC
pandronic
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2006-05-18

I sure know I gave Microsoft's vision of how Windows 8 should be used a fair chance for almost a month - until finally one day I couldn't take it anymore.

Now it's business as usual - I've installed a Start Menu replacement that's not as disruptive as the Start Screen and has a decent aggregated search, I boot directly to Desktop and I've disabled the hot corners. I haven't seen the "Modern" crap in weeks.

Modern apps on the desktop don't need to be updated, they need to be killed ... with fire.

Edited 2013-03-22 17:10 UTC

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RE: Comment
by techweenie1 on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 22:36 in reply to "Comment"
techweenie1 Member since:
2008-10-15

Couldn't agree more...infact I stopped using Windows 8 altogether, couldn't take it.

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RE: Comment
by kaiwai on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 01:55 in reply to "Comment"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I sure know I gave Microsoft's vision of how Windows 8 should be used a fair chance for almost a month - until finally one day I couldn't take it anymore.


I went and sold my iMac and MacBook Pro, bought a two Lenovo computers which I both upgraded to Windows 8 and ran it since it came out publicly. It has been 50 shades a horrible after moving to the PC world but now I've moved back to Mac and happier for it. I gave Microsoft a chance, I really did but the reality is that once the dust settles and one confronts actually having to do something productive with ones computer then it is difficult to overlook all the flaws in Windows over all - Windows 8 being a symptom of a much larger problem of the Windows ecosystem.

Apple has realised that there is a desktop and there is a tablet - cross pollination will occur but in each case of cross pollination the imported idea has to be re-crafted for the new environment. Microsoft on the other hand, even with all evidence regarding 'gorilla arm' and the lack of scalability in Metro to scale up to complex applications we still have them holding onto a false set of ideas. What makes the issue even more funny is WinRT API was billed as a 'new API' when Arstechnica divided deeper to expose that it is merely a wrapper around win32 and nothing has actually changed - we're not really seeing any movement forward but a re-arranging of rotten deck chairs then being labelled as 'brand new'.

Edited 2013-03-23 01:58 UTC

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by Nelson on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 15:42 in reply to "RE: Comment"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Microsoft on the other hand, even with all evidence regarding 'gorilla arm' and the lack of scalability in Metro to scale up to complex applications we still have them holding onto a false set of ideas.


Do you have any specific examples of where WinRT can't scale up to complex application? There's not really much in the way of developers who want to write feature rich applications.

Sure, some things are limited, but not all things. There is also a distinction to be made between something being completely missing from WinRT, and something being done a different way with WinRT.

What makes the issue even more funny is WinRT API was billed as a 'new API' when Arstechnica divided deeper to expose that it is merely a wrapper around win32 and nothing has actually changed - we're not really seeing any movement forward but a re-arranging of rotten deck chairs then being labelled as 'brand new'.


This isn't completely true. The Windows Runtime is two things:

1. The ABI and language projections which allow cross language communication.

2. The implementation of various projected interfaces.

The first is handled by a souped up version of COM, and the second varies.

Some WinRT APIs are completely new implementations of functionality (Sensors, the entire XAML stack, every aspect of the new Application Model for example) and some are even allowed to be called from Desktop applications, and other APIs are wrappers around existing Win32 APIs like StreamSockets wrapping WinSock.

It doesn't really matter though because its an implementation detail that's completely transparent to the developer. Whereas with Windows 7 you directly coded against Win32, with the Windows Runtime you are an additional step removed from Win32, which makes it easy to replace it from under developers noses in the future.

The Windows Runtime could just as easily do the things that Win32 does itself, but it'd be a massive duplication of effort, given that Win32 itself still ships with Windows.

So I'm not entirely sure what you find so funny.

Edited 2013-03-23 15:43 UTC

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by UltraZelda64 on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 22:24 in reply to "RE: Comment"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

What makes the issue even more funny is WinRT API was billed as a 'new API' when Arstechnica divided deeper to expose that it is merely a wrapper around win32 and nothing has actually changed - we're not really seeing any movement forward but a re-arranging of rotten deck chairs then being labelled as 'brand new'.

Wow, are you serious? LMFAO... now that's bad. Everyone, including Microsoft, claimed that Metro was all 100% new stuff... now, it turns out it's just a wrapper on top of win32, and at the same time Microsoft wants us to ditch that crusty old win32-based desktop for being so rusty and outdated? I smell some serious irony and hypocrisy wafting in from the west coast right now...

Edited 2013-03-23 22:28 UTC

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by AndyB on Sat 23rd Mar 2013 15:10 in reply to "Comment"
AndyB Member since:
2013-03-22

Now it's business as usual - I've installed a Start Menu replacement that's not as disruptive as the Start Screen and has a decent aggregated search, I boot directly to Desktop and I've disabled the hot corners. I haven't seen the "Modern" crap in weeks.

So basically you've turned your Windows 8 into Windows 7!

Don't get me wrong, after first seeing Windows 8 I refuse to install it on anything I will be using alot, I find it counter productive and much prefer the way Windows 7 handles things.

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RE[2]: Comment
by pandronic on Sun 24th Mar 2013 00:11 in reply to "RE: Comment"
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

Yup, it's a faster Windows 7 with a few tweaks here and there.

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