Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 24th Mar 2013 13:03 UTC
Windows "An early build of Windows Blue, the next version of Windows, has leaked online. Build 9364 has been made available on file sharing sites and includes some of the new changes that Microsoft is building into its significant Windows 8 update. Leaked screenshots show that the company is bringing smaller Live Tile arrangements to its Start Screen, along with greater control over the color personalization options. Other improvements include a number of new options in the Windows 8-style settings screen. SkyDrive options are present, which appear to show greater integration and control over device back ups and files. There's also an app settings section that surfaces options to change default apps and information on app sizes." Very welcome improvements - but unless there's significant speed and performance improvements, this is all for naught. Update: Woah, a 50:50 split view! They are listening! Update 2: Steve Troughton-Smith details that the split can be any size, and that you can also split three and four applications.
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RE[2]: In 2013...
by butters on Sun 24th Mar 2013 16:38 UTC in reply to "RE: In 2013..."
butters
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2005-07-08

Stacked window management has never been terribly useful (perhaps excepting the occasional dialog), and nobody has ever perfected the tiling window manager, so I don't see how this is a retrograde step.

A simple but flexible tiling window manager is arguably the best way to utilize large displays, particularly when it comes to content creation and other remaining use-cases for the traditional desktop.

If anyone is willing to make the case for stacked window management on large displays in the 2010s, by all means go ahead.

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RE[3]: In 2013...
by WorknMan on Sun 24th Mar 2013 19:54 in reply to "RE[2]: In 2013..."
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Stacked window management has never been terribly useful (perhaps excepting the occasional dialog), and nobody has ever perfected the tiling window manager, so I don't see how this is a retrograde step.


I am visually impaired, so usually run at lower resolutions, with apps like browsers, email programs, etc at full screen. Needless to say, I am not a huge fan of tiled window managers ;) However, my case is certainly the exception rather than the rule.

That being said, I think a modern OS should let you choose which option you prefer in the same desktop environment, so we don't have to have these kinds of debates. You shouldn't need to add another DE to the mix just because you want to change things like this.

Edited 2013-03-24 19:57 UTC

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RE[3]: In 2013...
by bnolsen on Sun 24th Mar 2013 20:44 in reply to "RE[2]: In 2013..."
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

virtual desktops are the answer to proper management of windows. I personally always found tiling managers to be for me a flawed paradigm. The problem I've seen are that users don't seem to immediately get virtual desktops and after switching will still trash up one desktop with a bunch of stacked windows and taskbar icons.

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RE[4]: In 2013...
by ssokolow on Sun 24th Mar 2013 22:40 in reply to "RE[3]: In 2013..."
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

virtual desktops are the answer to proper management of windows. I personally always found tiling managers to be for me a flawed paradigm. The problem I've seen are that users don't seem to immediately get virtual desktops and after switching will still trash up one desktop with a bunch of stacked windows and taskbar icons.


I'd say the ideal solution is a mix. I always run my windows maximized, but that's because I have two 1280x1024 LCD panels side-by-side.

If I had anything bigger or if I had only one monitor, I'd either set up a tiling WM or find some way to dynamically set up fake Xinerama boundaries so Openbox's maximize would give the same effect.

I think the big issue with tiling WMs on Linux is that nobody has built a hybrid tiling-floating WM with familiar keybindings, intuitive mouse interactions, and theming at least on par with IceWM and Openbox.

(Bluetile claims to do the first two. When I have time to learn Haskell, I'll probably try my hand at patching in the third. As is, I'm just using a minimal WinSplit Revolution clone I wrote for X11 named QuickTile.)

Heck, didn't the nVidia drivers for Windows offer to fake up maximize boundaries back in the WinXP era? (I never liked it because it didn't seem to let you grab a boundary and drag to resize or grab a window and drag to split a region or to make two windows trade places.)

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