Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Mar 2013 20:17 UTC
In the News "An incident at the annual Python developer conference has led to allegations of sexism, death threats, the firings of two people, and - apparently - multiple DDoS (distributed denial-of-service) attacks." Absolutely bizarre.
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RE[11]: Overblown and beyond...
by Kochise on Tue 26th Mar 2013 14:46 UTC in reply to "RE[10]: Overblown and beyond..."
Kochise
Member since:
2006-03-03

I don't always refute your calling me a name because it's fun enough. I use sarcasm, you take it on the first degree. You call me "miso" but you also show your true 'face' with your "male chauvinist pigs, sexists and
misogynists". Something against men ? Going personal ?

It's hard for me to understand you taking her side as well without making the slighest doubt about her own version, like she tells always the truth. Like she is an innocent little girl with big glaring eyes looking at you, about to cry. I don't buy that shit !

She clearly wanted to make this affair big, since she took a picture of the guys, a grin on her face. She clearly planned, may I say calculated, that they should get banned from PyCon, at best. But that so got fired in the process took everyone at surprise, me included.

However I can understand SendGrid : if you have someone like this in your staff, how could you trust him/her in the long run not to use such a nasty trick against you or one of your collegue ? Be it from a man or a woman.

Kochise

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RE[12]: Overblown and beyond...
by jal_ on Tue 26th Mar 2013 17:29 in reply to "RE[11]: Overblown and beyond..."
jal_ Member since:
2006-11-02

I don't always refute your calling me a name because it's fun enough.

I label you (not calling you names, "misogynist" is a descriptive term, not a swearword) for the things you write.

I use sarcasm, you take it on the first degree.

You aren't using sarcasm, but mainly hyperbole, i.e. gross exagerration, assigning thoughts and actions to the woman in question that do not match her actual actions (and presumably thoughts).

You call me "miso" but you also show your true 'face' with your "male chauvinist pigs, sexists and misogynists".

I didn't call you a MCP, did I? I was talking about "male chauvinist pigs, sexists and misogynists that create an unwelcome atmosphere in the tech scene". Are you denying that MCPs, sexists and misogynists exist in the tech scene? Are you denying such people create an unwelcome atmosphere for women?

Something against men ? Going personal?

Not at all. I'm quite comfortable being one, and regularly enjoy the company of other men. But I'm also a father of two tech-minded girls, so yes, it's partially personal. And I have a strong believe in the equality of all humans, and loath those that do not (be it homophobes, misogynists, racists, elitists, religious fundamentalists or whatever category of intolarant people).

It's hard for me to understand you taking her side as well without making the slighest doubt about her own version, like she tells always the truth.

Except, she doesn't have any reason to not tell the truth in this case. The guys themselves did not deny the made a dongle joke. Most of what transpired was, not in the least due to the tweeting, out in the open.

Like she is an innocent little girl with big glaring eyes looking at you, about to cry. I don't buy that shit !

Hyperboling and red herringing again. And you don't buy what shit exactly? Did you even look at the original tweet? What she asked the organizers to do? I really can't match your anger with what actually happened, except for you being an MRA or the like.

She clearly wanted to make this affair big, since she took a picture of the guys, a grin on her face.

She took a picture of the guys for evidence, so the organizers could easily detect them. And the "grin" remark can only be read to vilify her. And you are not a misogynist, you say?

She clearly planned, may I say calculated, that they should get banned from PyCon, at best.

Did she say so? Did she request so? No. So there's no "clearly planned" or "calculated", just your twisted assumptions.

But that so got fired in the process took everyone at surprise, me included.

She got fired afterwards, for all the wrong reasons.

However I can understand SendGrid : if you have someone like this in your staff, how could you trust him/her in the long run not to use such a nasty trick against you or one of your collegue ? Be it from a man or a woman.

So you think it's a nasty trick to expose a sexist? If a woman has collegues that make sexist jokes, she's not allowed to expose that? So she was rightfully fired for fear that SendGrid employees making sexist jokes would be exposed? That's some really twisted thinking there, Kochise.

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Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Not twisted, at least as twisted than a student rushing to his teacher or his mother to tell tales. Buhuhu !

You're speaking about twisting ? She would have twisted her body to face them and tell them to fuck off, it was a matter of, say, 20 seconds, the case would be closed.

I'm not miso, since I evaluated men on women on the same ground : both can be as stupid and untasty. What I dislike is how we have to settle laws for girls to be on par with men, like they cannot compete on pure qualification and competence.

A firm is looking for competence, willing, hard working and effective people. If really women are of that kind, then go forward. I'm a coder, I've not problem having a woman boss that supersede me in every field.

Kochise

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