Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Mar 2013 23:33 UTC
Windows "According to Kevin Restivo, an analyst at IDC, the countries where Windows Phone shipments exceeded those of iPhone during the fourth quarter were: Argentina, India, Poland, Russia, South Africa and Ukraine. A seventh 'country' where Windows Phone shipments beat iPhone is actually a group of smaller countries, including Croatia, that IDC lumps together in a category called 'rest of central and eastern Europe'." Not bad. Unsurprisingly, these are Nokia countries.
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RE: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by JAlexoid on Thu 28th Mar 2013 00:54 UTC in reply to "SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
JAlexoid
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2009-05-19

Don't even start. Shipments can't hold high for quarters on end. Stuffing the sales channel is effective only in very short terms(one or two quarters)

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RE[2]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by Tony Swash on Thu 28th Mar 2013 01:11 in reply to "RE: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

I think it would be much better if all companies just posted their sales figures, almost none do. How many Kindle's have Amazon sold? Who knows, but occasionally they farcically claim their sales have doubled. How many Nexus devices has Google sold? Nobody knows because they are not telling. What about total sales figures for the Samsung smart phone or tablets? Ditto.

Interestingly on the few occasions that actual figures have been revealed such as during the disclosure process in the Samsung/Apple legal case the real figures are often very unimpressive.

I can't help but feel that when a company does not release sales figures for a high profile product it is because the news is not good.

So when we get this sort of fact free guff from Microsoft my response is simply - tell me how many W8 phones have been have sold or just shut up.

PR minus facts is just wind.

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RE[3]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by Tony Swash on Thu 28th Mar 2013 11:18 in reply to "RE[2]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Turns out the stats on which the 'out sold iPhone' story were based are also estimates and not official. Plus it seems three of the markets — Ukraine, South Africa and “rest of central and eastern Europe” — are small enough that there were fewer than 100,000 Windows Phone unit shipments in the fourth quarter in each of them.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/where-in-the-world-are-win...

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RE[3]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 28th Mar 2013 11:30 in reply to "RE[2]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
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2005-06-29

Apple doesn't report sales either. They report only shipped. They just redefine "shipped" into "sold" in their SEC filings. While in the first few weeks a new model is sold-out in some markets, that tends to fade quickly, and applies to e.g. the Galaxy models as well. On top of that, while in the US most sales may happen through Apple Stores, the rest of the world is served almost entirely through third parties... With stock.

It's a dirty game, but at least the companies reporting "shipped" are more honest than Apple is. It's just too bad many people fall for Apple's redefinition.

And yes, it would be great if everyone reported SALES numbers, including Apple, but they do not, and they have no obligation to do so. Even if they all did - I wouldn't trust their figures anyway. Companies are pathological liars.

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