Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Mar 2013 23:33 UTC
Windows "According to Kevin Restivo, an analyst at IDC, the countries where Windows Phone shipments exceeded those of iPhone during the fourth quarter were: Argentina, India, Poland, Russia, South Africa and Ukraine. A seventh 'country' where Windows Phone shipments beat iPhone is actually a group of smaller countries, including Croatia, that IDC lumps together in a category called 'rest of central and eastern Europe'." Not bad. Unsurprisingly, these are Nokia countries.
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Comment by przemo_li
by przemo_li on Thu 28th Mar 2013 07:54 UTC
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2010-06-01

Another proof that MS have really BAD understanding how mobile teleco market works.

They targeted SMALL, (almost) BACKWATER North America market...

And killed they product more by targeting High End dominated by iOS+Android.

And killed it even more by picking hw partner ABSENT in that market.

And killed it good by picking poor excuse for CEO for its hw partner.



Now, if MS released low end handsets for emerging/underdeveloped worlds, current marketshare for WinP would look better.

Hey even BadaOS for entry level smartphones outsold in emer./underdev. words outsold WinP7....




And from that list of countries only Indie show good promise. After China its second most promissing market...

For low budget, low end handsets... (so weak iOS sales are to be expected).


Now if only Nokia could EARN on WinP7/8 handsets it sell..........
(Recent + in quaterly results come out of selling buildings and land..)

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RE: Comment by przemo_li
by cdude on Thu 28th Mar 2013 08:35 in reply to "Comment by przemo_li"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Recent news say starting this Q1 quarter Nokia pays $40 for each sold device for the WP license to Microsoft. Minimum $250 million each quarter. The quarters before they got $250 million each quarter from Microsoft. That makes it minus $500 million each quarter they have on top now and no headquarters, land left to sell. Siemens leaving NSN and Huawei as new WP low-end Microsoft partner are hitting in too.

That limits how far low they can go. Also till today Nokia makes lose with each sold unit including high end Lumia's. Going future down and increasing number of sold devices may not help them in becoming profitable again and they not have much time and money left.

Watch out, its an end-game. The 3-No's are going to be completed. Nortel, Novel, Nokia. All exclusive strategic Microsoft partners that went all in, all gone.

Edited 2013-03-28 08:49 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by przemo_li
by unclefester on Thu 28th Mar 2013 09:33 in reply to "RE: Comment by przemo_li"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Recent news say starting this Q1 quarter Nokia pays $40 for each sold device for the WP license to Microsoft. Minimum $250 million each quarter. The quarters before they got $250 million each quarter from Microsoft. That makes it minus $500 million each quarter they have on top now and no headquarters, land left to sell. Siemens leaving NSN and Huawei as new WP low-end Microsoft partner are hitting in too.


Paying a licence fee of $40 is far cheaper than hiring thousands of developers.

Nokia has a thriving and extremely profitable network business.

Most large companies don't own their own headquarters - or any other real estate.

That limits how far low they can go. Also till today Nokia makes lose with each sold unit including high end Lumia's. Going future down and increasing number of sold devices may not help them in becoming profitable again and they not have much time and money left.


WP8 is super responsive on hardware that can barely run Android ICS. This means that Nokia can sell extremely cheap hardware at premium prices. Nokia WP8 phones cost 50-100% more than Android phones with similar hardware.


Watch out, its an end-game. The 3-No's are going to be completed. Nortel, Novel, Nokia. All exclusive strategic Microsoft partners that went all in, all gone.


Considering that MS has effectively bought Nokia there is no real danger of Nokia going broke.

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RE[2]: Comment by przemo_li
by bnolsen on Fri 29th Mar 2013 14:27 in reply to "RE: Comment by przemo_li"
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

will we start to see nokia finally shipping android units like everyone else? All they really need to do is provide a stock version of android with no crap and they would do well. Unless MS has some major grip on them still going into android would give them much needed diversity, access to a large established market and very possibly even more much needed leverage on MS.

One definition of insanity is to keep repeating what doesn't work. Nokia seems to have discovered the formula for losing almost all their once dominant marketshare in the fastest expanding market in history and they still seem to be stubbornly persuing the same strategy.

Edited 2013-03-29 14:37 UTC

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