Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Mar 2013 23:33 UTC
Windows "According to Kevin Restivo, an analyst at IDC, the countries where Windows Phone shipments exceeded those of iPhone during the fourth quarter were: Argentina, India, Poland, Russia, South Africa and Ukraine. A seventh 'country' where Windows Phone shipments beat iPhone is actually a group of smaller countries, including Croatia, that IDC lumps together in a category called 'rest of central and eastern Europe'." Not bad. Unsurprisingly, these are Nokia countries.
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RE[3]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 28th Mar 2013 11:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Apple doesn't report sales either. They report only shipped. They just redefine "shipped" into "sold" in their SEC filings. While in the first few weeks a new model is sold-out in some markets, that tends to fade quickly, and applies to e.g. the Galaxy models as well. On top of that, while in the US most sales may happen through Apple Stores, the rest of the world is served almost entirely through third parties... With stock.

It's a dirty game, but at least the companies reporting "shipped" are more honest than Apple is. It's just too bad many people fall for Apple's redefinition.

And yes, it would be great if everyone reported SALES numbers, including Apple, but they do not, and they have no obligation to do so. Even if they all did - I wouldn't trust their figures anyway. Companies are pathological liars.

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RE[4]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by Tony Swash on Thu 28th Mar 2013 14:30 in reply to "RE[3]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

It's a dirty game, but at least the companies reporting "shipped" are more honest than Apple is. It's just too bad many people fall for Apple's redefinition.


So tell me how many Nexus devices has Google reported as shipped, or how many Kindle devices has Amazon reported as shipped, or perhaps how many tablets have Samsung reported as shipped.

Less than complete official and accurate (reported as part of auditable SEC filings) statistics are surely preferable than no stats.

Would you not be pleased if all the big players published official stats at least as detailed as Apple's even if the latter could be improved?

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RE[5]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 28th Mar 2013 15:31 in reply to "RE[4]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Your irrational hatred for Google has made you misread my comment (as usual). Go back, read it again, and this time, try not to let your Google-hatred get the better of you.

Good luck!

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RE[4]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by jared_wilkes on Thu 28th Mar 2013 20:51 in reply to "RE[3]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

Apple not only announces device shipments, they also detail channel inventory.

They are the most transparent of all manufacturers. Virtually the only manufacturer with any degree of transparency whatsoever.

A few fanboys retreading a wellworn falsehood does not make Apple a bad actor.

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