Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Mar 2013 23:33 UTC
Windows "According to Kevin Restivo, an analyst at IDC, the countries where Windows Phone shipments exceeded those of iPhone during the fourth quarter were: Argentina, India, Poland, Russia, South Africa and Ukraine. A seventh 'country' where Windows Phone shipments beat iPhone is actually a group of smaller countries, including Croatia, that IDC lumps together in a category called 'rest of central and eastern Europe'." Not bad. Unsurprisingly, these are Nokia countries.
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RE[3]: Comment by przemo_li
by cdude on Thu 28th Mar 2013 14:51 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by przemo_li"
cdude
Member since:
2008-09-21

Paying a licence fee of $40 is far cheaper than hiring thousands of developers.

Owning and controlling your own future is invaluable and so is not depending on Microsoft's good will only.

WP8 is super responsive on hardware that can barely run Android ICS. This means that Nokia can sell extremely cheap hardware at premium prices

And so can, and does, Huawei, HTC and Samsung. All of them have the same WP8. Samsung and HTC seem to have given up on WP8, Huawei's bestseller are there Android's (same Hardware like there WP8).

MS has effectively bought Nokia

While not paying a dime and even getting money from Nokia now. $40 for each sold unit, that is double as much Samsung had to pay for there WP licenses. Clever.

there is no real danger of Nokia going broke.

Not broke, they will be cut into pieces and parts, like there patents still worth some $, be sold to Microsoft and others.

Edited 2013-03-28 14:56 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by przemo_li
by unclefester on Sat 30th Mar 2013 05:26 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by przemo_li"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Owning and controlling your own future is invaluable and so is not depending on Microsoft's good will only.


Have you used WP8? IMHO it is by far the best phone OS around.

And so can, and does, Huawei, HTC and Samsung. All of them have the same WP8. Samsung and HTC seem to have given up on WP8, Huawei's bestseller are there Android's (same Hardware like there WP8).


Nokia is the de facto phone division of MS. Samsung is switching to Tizen. HTC is going nowhere. Huawei is a bottom feeder.

While not paying a dime and even getting money from Nokia now. $40 for each sold unit, that is double as much Samsung had to pay for there WP licenses. Clever.


You need to learn how multinational businesses work. In reality Nokia is deliberately "paying" an exorbitant licence fee to MS. MS in turn "pays" Nokia too much for (possibly worthless) goods and services. In reality they are sham transactions (no actual money is involved) designed to reduce taxes - usually known as Transfer Pricing.

Not broke, they will be cut into pieces and parts, like there patents still worth some $, be sold to Microsoft and others.


The alternative is bankruptcy. Nokia had no future without WP7/8.

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RE[5]: Comment by przemo_li
by cdude on Sun 31st Mar 2013 02:37 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by przemo_li"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Nokia is the de facto phone division of MS.


Was not is. When Nokia failed hard two times Microsoft went on. Surface Tablets, Surface Phone. HTC, not Nokia, made the WP8 flagship model. Huawei is the exclusive WP8 partner for all of Africa, not Nokia.

When that Nokia-Microsoft partnership was announced Nokia had lot to offer. They where number 1 with the biggest market share. Thats what they had to offer. That is gone now and with or without Nokia made NO notable difference for WP sales. Just compare WP market share before Nokia with now. Its the same 1-2%.

Samsung is switching to Tizen. HTC is going nowhere. Huawei is a bottom feeder.


Tizen is going to happen independent of Samsung's Android and WP offers. They are not so stupid to put all eggs into only one basket. They still do WP even if it not sells. They can offer that unlike Nokia.
HTC is back. They are making profit again after switching away from long years of Microsoft partnership back onto Android.
Huawei is in the top 10 striving to the top unlike Nokia who strive to the bottom. They have Android and WP. There Android, same hardware, sells very good. WP not so but that's the case for all WP resellers. Just like Samsung Huawei can do that, continue to offer WP without going down like Nokia, cause they have good selling alternates.

The alternative is bankruptcy. Nokia had no future without WP7/8.

Up until that infamous burn-everything memo Nokia was profitable with growing profits. That is past. Just like Boston Chickens and Macromedia they got Elopped.

Edited 2013-03-31 02:53 UTC

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