Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th Mar 2013 11:47 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones "Still, Firefox OS could have a big impact on the Web even if it never gains significant market share. By pushing the Web forward, Mozilla is helping to ensure that mobile websites will continue to be relevant even as developers create hundreds of thousands of proprietary apps. Firefox could lose the battle for the smartphone OS market but still win the war for open standards."
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still think it's doomed
by reduz on Thu 28th Mar 2013 15:04 UTC
reduz
Member since:
2006-02-25

been at gdc, talked to a lot of people.
developer interest for anything not ios or android is unexistent. Pretty much no one cares about WP8 at all and much less the new blackberry phones. So why would it be different for a phone that is even harder to develop for?

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RE: still think it's doomed
by pandronic on Thu 28th Mar 2013 15:48 in reply to "still think it's doomed"
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

I love JS, web technologies and high level languages in general, I'll probably do it just for the fun of it.

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RE[2]: still think it's doomed
by Lennie on Fri 29th Mar 2013 00:16 in reply to "RE: still think it's doomed"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

I personally think this is an important part of FirefoxOS, a quote from the article:

"In this sense, Firefox OS is as much a project to improve the Web as it is a project to build a new mobile operating system. Every Firefox OS API Mozilla can get adopted by other major browsers makes it easier for developers to convert vanilla Web apps into "native" Firefox OS apps, and vice versa. Even if Mozilla's OS never gains significant market share, the effort to flesh out a complete set of Web standards for mobile computing will help to push the Web forward."

And it helps webapps on the desktop as much as on mobile.

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RE: still think it's doomed
by vivainio on Thu 28th Mar 2013 15:54 in reply to "still think it's doomed"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

Game devs dont't care much about mobile web. You can be sure developer/publisher community at large does.

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RE[2]: still think it's doomed
by moondevil on Fri 29th Mar 2013 09:04 in reply to "RE: still think it's doomed"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I would say this in another way, game developers don't care about open source, it is all about getting the idea out of the door, no matter with what tooling.

Back in the day I still had any chance to jump into the industry (too old now for that), I lost significant development time trying to preach OOS instead of just focusing in the game development per se.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I do think that mozilla is doomed with firefox os.

However, their argument on apps kind of makes sense: its HTML 5. You write it once and it will work every where*!

* Everywhere that has included the new HTML 5 features we invented.

I think the review kind of speaks volumes, Mozilla can make the base apps great, but the third party apps kind of stink due to the hosting being unreliable. With Ios and android there is a limit to how bad an application can be, with firefox it doesn't look like there will be a limit.

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RE[2]: still think it's doomed
by ssokolow on Thu 28th Mar 2013 17:33 in reply to "RE: still think it's doomed"
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

I think the review kind of speaks volumes, Mozilla can make the base apps great, but the third party apps kind of stink due to the hosting being unreliable. With Ios and android there is a limit to how bad an application can be, with firefox it doesn't look like there will be a limit.


Those aren't proper apps, per se. They're not much more than IFRAMEs pointed at mobile sites.

Proper apps can use AppCache to store the entire UI in the phone and then just XMLHttpRequest or WebSocket data back and forth.

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RE[2]: still think it's doomed
by moondevil on Fri 29th Mar 2013 09:00 in reply to "RE: still think it's doomed"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Yeah, the problem is which version of HTML5.

One got to love standards.

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RE: still think it's doomed
by No it isnt on Thu 28th Mar 2013 18:44 in reply to "still think it's doomed"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Phones aren't really game consoles.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Actually even since Snake on the Nokia 7210 back in 1998/9 (it used to be a bit of a craze back in then to see who could get the highest score) ... people have been playing games on their phones.

You may scoff but people always been into mobile gaming.

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RE: still think it's doomed
by Lennie on Thu 28th Mar 2013 22:55 in reply to "still think it's doomed"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Why do people keep looking at these things with the US/western hat on.

These phones are meant for other markets, where smartphones have not yet made any big impact.

Usually because they are much to expensive.

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RE[2]: still think it's doomed
by reduz on Fri 29th Mar 2013 15:16 in reply to "RE: still think it's doomed"
reduz Member since:
2006-02-25

i'm not sure such markets exist.
not in latin america or asia as far as i know.. maybe you mean like.. in central africa?

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

The US/Western Hat is the only one I'm really comfortable wearing. The only reason why I'd buy a phone or recommend it to a friend is if it met our needs. So yes, I could preface ever comment I ever make about anything with "From a US/Western perspective", but isn't that obvious? I mean should I expand that to " From the third planet of the known solar system in the milky way galaxy's western/US perspective, " ?

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RE: still think it's doomed
by Soulbender on Fri 29th Mar 2013 06:54 in reply to "still think it's doomed"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

At some point in time interest for Android and iOS was pretty slim too.

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RE[2]: still think it's doomed
by WorknMan on Fri 29th Mar 2013 07:33 in reply to "RE: still think it's doomed"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

At some point in time interest for Android and iOS was pretty slim too.


Yeah, before they were invented ;) LOL

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