Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Mar 2013 23:33 UTC
Windows "According to Kevin Restivo, an analyst at IDC, the countries where Windows Phone shipments exceeded those of iPhone during the fourth quarter were: Argentina, India, Poland, Russia, South Africa and Ukraine. A seventh 'country' where Windows Phone shipments beat iPhone is actually a group of smaller countries, including Croatia, that IDC lumps together in a category called 'rest of central and eastern Europe'." Not bad. Unsurprisingly, these are Nokia countries.
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RE[5]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 28th Mar 2013 15:31 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
Thom_Holwerda
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2005-06-29

Your irrational hatred for Google has made you misread my comment (as usual). Go back, read it again, and this time, try not to let your Google-hatred get the better of you.

Good luck!

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RE[6]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by Tony Swash on Thu 28th Mar 2013 17:37 in reply to "RE[5]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Your irrational hatred for Google has made you misread my comment (as usual). Go back, read it again, and this time, try not to let your Google-hatred get the better of you.

Good luck!



How? I don't understand what you are saying? How does pointing out that Google (amongst others) does not release details about how many of it's Nexus devices are shipped/sold translate into irrational hatred of Google?

You seem to think no data is as good or possibly better than some data. I would like more data wouldn't you?

I made a point that it would be great if large tech companies released regular data about how their products were actually doing. I would have thought that you would have supported such a position in which case a simple 'I agree' would have sufficed. Instead you respond by attacking Apple, a company I didn't actually mention in my comment. I don't think the irrational hatred element is coming from me.

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RE[7]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by Tony Swash on Thu 28th Mar 2013 17:46 in reply to "RE[6]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Just a follow up thought. You made a lot of the difference between shipped and sold, and indeed those things are different. But presumable if a company reports regularly and at fixed intervals on total units shipped then quite quickly shipped and sold will become essentially the same thing as sales channels can only be stuffed so far and eventually fill up.

If you launch a new product and at some statistically convenient point you announce you have shipped "X" amount, but in reality the product is selling poorly and all that has happened is that channels have been stuffed, then that would be a deceptive use of the difference between shipped and sold. But as I said if you actually report shipped units regularly quarter after quarter over the entire life span of a product then over time shipped and sold become almost identical because resellers and the owners of sales channels would only accept so many non-selling units before they said 'no more thank you'.

Edited 2013-03-28 17:49 UTC

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RE[7]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 28th Mar 2013 18:04 in reply to "RE[6]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

How? I don't understand what you are saying? How does pointing out that Google (amongst others) does not release details about how many of it's Nexus devices are shipped/sold translate into irrational hatred of Google?


Because my comment didn't mention Google, and wasn't referring to Google in any way, shape, or form. Yet, you felt the need to drag it into the mix yet again. It's almost... Compulsive.

You seem to think no data is as good or possibly better than some data.


Uh, my comment is the EXACT opposite of what you're writing here. The EXACT opposite. Here it is again:

"It's a dirty game, but at least the companies reporting 'shipped' are more honest than Apple is. It's just too bad many people fall for Apple's redefinition.

And yes, it would be great if everyone reported SALES numbers, including Apple, but they do not, and they have no obligation to do so. Even if they all did - I wouldn't trust their figures anyway. Companies are pathological liars."

We're seeing your cognitive dissonance coping strategies at work here again, live. I am fully agreeing with your position, yet it just doesn't register with you. You're so hell-bent on this delusional idea that I'm out for Apple that you conjure up all sorts of things I supposedly said.

It's... Fascinating. It truly is.

Edited 2013-03-28 18:04 UTC

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RE[7]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?
by zima on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 20:25 in reply to "RE[6]: SHIPMENTS or SALES?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Instead you respond by attacking Apple, a company I didn't actually mention in my comment.

Oh come on, Apple is all you talk about. If the topic is not somehow related to Apple, you simply don't comment.

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