Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Apr 2013 21:06 UTC
In the News "Kay says that some gadgets with superficial Dynabook-like qualities, such as the iPad, have not only failed to realize the Dynabook dream, but have in some senses betrayed it. That's one of the points he makes in this interview, conducted by computer historian David Greelish, proprietor of the Classic Computing Blog and organizer of this month's Vintage Computer Festival Southeast in Atlanta (the Festival will feature a pop-up Apple museum featuring Xerox's groundbreaking Alto workstation, which Kay worked on, as well as devices which deeply reflected his influence, including the Lisa, the original Macintosh and the Newton). Kay and Greelish also discuss Kay's experiences at some of the big outfits where he's worked, including Xerox's fabled PARC labs, Apple, Disney and HP. Today, Kay continues his research about children and technology at his own organization, the Viewpoints Research Institute." A great interview with this legendary man.
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RE: Fully agree!
by darknexus on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 12:40 UTC in reply to "Fully agree!"
darknexus
Member since:
2008-07-15

As they are now, they are mostly an expensive toy to read email, browse the web, read ebooks and play games.


You obviously haven't done any audio recording or production on iPads lately. They're a damn fine center of a portable studio. They're also excellent wordprocessing platforms for school with the addition of a bluetooth keyboard, with battery life no laptop has yet matched. No, you can't program on them but I'm continually amazed at what they are capable of now. As I'm not much of a programmer (though I can code some basic stuff in a pinch if I have to) I don't judge the worth of a device based on whether I can code on it but whether I can do what I need to get done. Two years ago I laughed at the iPad. It was nothing but a blown up iPod Touch then, with no real content creation apps to speak of. Now I have one for on-the-go work, and wouldn't be without it. It can't replace my desktop and never will, but it makes a better laptop for my purposes than a traditional laptop ever has.

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RE[2]: Fully agree!
by moondevil on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 13:04 in reply to "RE: Fully agree!"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

The moment you add an external input device you have already lost.

It is no better than using a more convenient laptop.

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RE[3]: Fully agree!
by henderson101 on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 14:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Fully agree!"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Sure it is. I have a bluetooth keyboard that works with both my iPad/iPhone and Nexus 7. I use it rarely. I program and type documents all the time on my iPad. I use the keyboard only in extremes, but it's handy to have at a desk when I'm not on the move. I'd never carry it about with me though, I don't feel the need to.

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RE[3]: Fully agree!
by hhas on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 17:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Fully agree!"
hhas Member since:
2006-11-28

The moment you add an external input device you have already lost.

It is no better than using a more convenient laptop.


Nonsense; you can add a keyboard to a tablet on those occasions you do need one much easier than you can remove the keyboard from a laptop on all the occasions you don't.

Whining about the things a tablet isn't good for is to utterly miss the point: it was never intended to be a jack of all trades like the PC, but a task-oriented device optimized for common consumer activities. For the majority of consumers it is quite sufficient to their needs, especially when they can add an external keyboard or printer when performing the subset of tasks where additional hardware devices are helpful. And for all the other tasks that don't require the extra hardware, users aren't forced to lug it around like so much deadweight. It's a clear win for them.

As to the minority of consumers who genuinely do need greater computing power, they can go buy a general-purpose PC as an alternative (or compliment) to a consumer-oriented tablet. Less of a win for them, but still nice to have the option to swap between devices as and when they like. e.g. I certainly preferred using my tablet as a casual living room device (much better form factor, battery life, and just all-round convenient) while still having the PC in the study for doing serious work.

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RE[3]: Fully agree!
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 19:11 in reply to "RE[2]: Fully agree!"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Exactly! In much the same way that a motorcycle is no better than a poopless horse.

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RE[2]: Fully agree!
by henderson101 on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 13:58 in reply to "RE: Fully agree!"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

No, you can't program on them...


Sure you can.

http://twolivesleft.com/Codea/
http://omz-software.com/pythonista/

With Codea, you can even create actual iPad apps (okay, you need to compile the app on a real computer to release it, but 100% of the development can be done on an iPad.) This was 100% written on an iPad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPWWDOjtO9s

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RE[3]: Fully agree!
by MOS6510 on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 20:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Fully agree!"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

There are a number of programming languages available to play around with. I have C, Cobol, Java, Python and Perl on my iPhone and there are a number more.

It's more of a mix between an emulator and a toy, but it does allow you to explore these languages and run them right on your iOS device.

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