Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Apr 2013 21:06 UTC
In the News "Kay says that some gadgets with superficial Dynabook-like qualities, such as the iPad, have not only failed to realize the Dynabook dream, but have in some senses betrayed it. That's one of the points he makes in this interview, conducted by computer historian David Greelish, proprietor of the Classic Computing Blog and organizer of this month's Vintage Computer Festival Southeast in Atlanta (the Festival will feature a pop-up Apple museum featuring Xerox's groundbreaking Alto workstation, which Kay worked on, as well as devices which deeply reflected his influence, including the Lisa, the original Macintosh and the Newton). Kay and Greelish also discuss Kay's experiences at some of the big outfits where he's worked, including Xerox's fabled PARC labs, Apple, Disney and HP. Today, Kay continues his research about children and technology at his own organization, the Viewpoints Research Institute." A great interview with this legendary man.
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Alfman
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2011-01-28

kwan_e,

"That's hardly 'worse' than what Alan imagined."

How so? He had a vision of what these devices could do way back before anyone else was working on them. Now that the technology has become feasible, it's a real shame that many implementations are programmed with device restriction policies that make indy creations subordinate to the company. That's the problem, the ideal software platforms would have everyone equal footing and let the market compete openly rather than under the control and taxation of corporate overseers.


"What Alan imagined, however glorious, was a pipe dream, and the whole symmetric production and consumption of media IS what he envisioned - which is a point you said you agreed with."

Everything's a pipe dream before it's time. Once it's arrived, it's no longer a pipe dream. Just as he said, many of his ideas have been spinoff into mirads of commercial products, and even those that haven't just need time and investment.

"The technology is already beyond what we need. The policy limitations are the hurdles here."

Why are you telling me this? I know, and it's clear that Alan does too.


"You can't criticize the [class of] device for being under the control of its designer[s]."

I can, and I will continue to. I shudder to think where we'd be if desktop PC platforms had been shipped with ipad-like restrictions against indy developers and users. If you take openness for granted, or keep apologizing for those who take it away, then pretty soon we'll all loose it.

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kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"You can't criticize the [class of] device for being under the control of its designer[s]."

I can, and I will continue to. I shudder to think where we'd be if desktop PC platforms had been shipped with ipad-like restrictions against indy developers and users. If you take openness for granted, or keep apologizing for those who take it away, then pretty soon we'll all loose it.


Then your criticisms are irrelevant, because I can pretty well argue we already have had Dynabooks in the form of PCs and laptops. They have the power and the openness. That leaves your criticism only applicable to a certain form factor and thus largely superficial.

Really then, I was right before that we've already surpassed Alan Kay's vision because general purpose computers do more than a Dynabook does.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

kwan_e,

"Then your criticisms are irrelevant, because I can pretty well argue we already have had Dynabooks in the form of PCs and laptops. They have the power and the openness. That leaves your criticism only applicable to a certain form factor and thus largely superficial."

This logic doesn't make any sense at all. Just because desktop computers are able to run almost anything we want, it doesn't follow that tablets should not.

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