Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 20:43 UTC
Gnome "The team is proud to announce the release of MATE Desktop 1.6. This release is a giant step forward from the 1.4 release. In this release, we have replaced many deprecated packages and libraries with new technologies available in GLib. We have also added a lot of new features to MATE." Look at those screenshots. This is what GNOME is supposed to be: elegant, understated, to-the-point. I should try this.
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by MacMan on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 21:33 UTC in reply to "Outdated"
MacMan
Member since:
2006-11-19

Please... Why are there still these conservative people who like the windows 95 desktop still?


I too am sick of the obsession with Windows 95 being the pinnacle of user interfaces. (yes, Gnome2 and KDE are clones of the Windows95 interface paradigm).

Really is simple, If you look at the age of most Linux users, chances are their first operating system was Windows95. Microsoft reinforced this as all subsequent Windows versions carried on the Windows95 interface (except finally a break with Win7).

So, Windows95 is simply what most people have been trained, or perhaps accustomed to using. Change is fundamentally disruptive, so anything that does not resemble Windows95 is met with resistance.

Originally I disliked Unity as it was buggy, unstable and incomplete, but I finally switched over from Gnome 3.6 and I'm fairly impressed with Unity (in Ubuntu 12.10), just wish Unity Tweak Tool was officially part of the control panel.

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by Sauron on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 23:04 in reply to "RE: Outdated"
Sauron Member since:
2005-08-02

Really is simple, If you look at the age of most Linux users, chances are their first operating system was Windows95. Microsoft reinforced this as all subsequent Windows versions carried on the Windows95 interface (except finally a break with Win7).


Errr... No. My first operating system was Sinclair ZX81 Basic. And what a load of B****cks, where did you think that one up from? I think you will find that most Linux users are middle aged and above, and started with a similar experience or even earlier.

That been said, I have to say I found Win 95's gui and interface quite familiar when I first used it as it wasn't that different from Amiga Workbench which I had been using for about 6 years prior to Win 95's release and with both of them at least you could get work done. With todays crop of desktop extreme flashy edition deluxe, they just get in the way of you doing anything while taking away any user settings to allow you to change the way it looks and works. I for one will not be using Windows 8, Gnome 3, unity or anything else that tries to glue a mobile interface on to my desktop. Then again as has been said before, it's down to user preference and people should be able to use what they want.
Mate Desktop is one of them that enables that choice and I say good luck to them.
/ end rant

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by judgen on Thu 4th Apr 2013 16:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Outdated"
judgen Member since:
2006-07-12

Allthough i agree with you, most linux users are no longer 30+ years old. And it is a fairly good chance they started using computers after 95 was released. Hell, most computerists today have not even used win3.1 at all.

Your personal experience does not make it true for the majority.

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by antonone on Thu 4th Apr 2013 06:03 in reply to "RE: Outdated"
antonone Member since:
2006-02-03

Why do you think that "a change" is something that is alien for most Linux users, since most of Linux users made a choice to switch to a whole new operating system?

Besides, I think you need to read the history of User Interface evolution.

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by nej_simon on Thu 4th Apr 2013 09:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Outdated"
nej_simon Member since:
2011-02-11

Why do you think that "a change" is something that is alien for most Linux users, since most of Linux users made a choice to switch to a whole new operating system?


They aren't against change when they choose the change themselves of course.

Besides, I think you need to read the history of User Interface evolution.


Care to elaborate?

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by Peter Besenbruch on Thu 4th Apr 2013 20:27 in reply to "RE: Outdated"
Peter Besenbruch Member since:
2006-03-13

I too am sick of the obsession with Windows 95 being the pinnacle of user interfaces. (yes, Gnome2 and KDE are clones of the Windows95 interface paradigm).


First, we don't obsess over the Windows 95 interface as the pinnacle of design interface. We obsess over 98SE as the pinnacle. ;) It was Windows 98 that brought in "quick launchers."

Really is simple, If you look at the age of most Linux users, chances are their first operating system was Windows95. Microsoft reinforced this as all subsequent Windows versions carried on the Windows95 interface (except finally a break with Win7).


No, I started with a Radio Shack CoCo, and moved to the TRS-80. I have used Macs, Atari STs, Amigas, DOS, and Windows 3.1, prior to using Windows 9x. Toss in a few early Macs, and submitting batch jobs via JCL to a mainframe, and I think I have a bit of exposure to computer interfaces.

I would argue that the point and click interfaces have more in common than they have differences. The commonality can be traced to the research arm of Xerox, rather than to Microsoft. Pointing and clicking was a good response to the possibility of using a mouse to move a pointer on screen.

So, Windows95 is simply what most people have been trained, or perhaps accustomed to using...Originally I disliked Unity as it was buggy, unstable and incomplete, but I finally switched over from Gnome 3.6 and I'm fairly impressed with Unity (in Ubuntu 12.10), just wish Unity Tweak Tool was officially part of the control panel.


And you highlight some of what I don't like about Unity, lack of configuration. A similar lack drew me to KDE over Gnome, and later to XFCE.

Worse, though, is Unity's failure to distinguish launchers from already running programs. That's something even some of the basic window managers manage.

That failure to distinguish occurs in other areas, such as search engines. Here the problem involves the failure to distinguish local vs. Amazon searches. Canonical crossed an ethical line with that one.

As for Mate, and Gnome 2 before it, it looks nothing like Windows 95, although it uses the same point and click interface (so does Unity, for that matter). Gnome 2 was a sensible, working interface. Its categories made a certain amount of sense. Microsoft never did enforce categories in its Start Menu, consequently it was usually a mess.

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by zima on Sun 7th Apr 2013 14:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Outdated"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Gnome 2 was a sensible, working interface. Its categories made a certain amount of sense. Microsoft never did enforce categories in its Start Menu, consequently it was usually a mess.

OTOH it could take some time to find new app, when unsure to which category it was assigned...

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