Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 3rd Apr 2013 20:43 UTC
Gnome "The team is proud to announce the release of MATE Desktop 1.6. This release is a giant step forward from the 1.4 release. In this release, we have replaced many deprecated packages and libraries with new technologies available in GLib. We have also added a lot of new features to MATE." Look at those screenshots. This is what GNOME is supposed to be: elegant, understated, to-the-point. I should try this.
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by nej_simon on Thu 4th Apr 2013 09:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Outdated"
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Why do you think that "a change" is something that is alien for most Linux users, since most of Linux users made a choice to switch to a whole new operating system?

They aren't against change when they choose the change themselves of course.

Besides, I think you need to read the history of User Interface evolution.

Care to elaborate?

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by ssokolow on Thu 4th Apr 2013 10:50 in reply to "RE[3]: Outdated"
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They aren't against change when they choose the change themselves of course.

Now that DOES describe me and it's something I've spent my whole life fighting to overcome.

When I was little, I'd throw a fit over going to the beach because it wasn't my decision, then throw a fit over coming home because it wasn't my decision.

My introduction to Vim was delayed by half a decade because I misinterpreted people's enthusiasm as subtle pressure to try it.

I know I'm resistant to change to a detrimental degree and I'm working on it. However, in this situation, I've actually weighed the pros and cons of desktops like GNOME 3, Unity, and KDE 3.

Yes, GNOME 3's dynamic approach to virtual desktops is great. I've wanted to implement that since before GNOME 3 was even announced but couldn't find a WM where the effort to keep my current comfort zone while adding dynamic desktops was low enough.

Yes, in theory, compositing is superior in every way.

Yes, in theory, I love the idea of AppIndicators.

Yes, I was happier with KDE 3.5's highly-integrated design.

However, in practice, I value what LXDE gives me more than what it loses me.

I value responsiveness and I'm too used to the high responsiveness of desktops based on LXDE or IceWM or something else designed for older systems.

As much as I'd love compositing to cache window pixmaps and implement alpha blending, in my experience, it produces a small but noticeable slowdown on window-management operations (The easiest way to look for it if you don't want to verify that it happens in every compositor is to use KDE 4's Enable/Disable compositing keybinding) and shaped windows do well enough for my needs with things like rounded corners and OSD.

AppIndicators could have been a godsend for making the system harder for buggy applications to break, but I insist that left-click toggle the visibility of the main window and right-click show the context menu.

The AppIndicator API has no means that could even be abused to register a show/hide behaviour for a patched indicator host to assign to left-click, so I force the XEmbed-based tray icon support on programs like Deluge.

I can't use Trinity because its control panel breaks if you install KDE 4 apps at the same time.

...and KDE 4:
1. made a mess of the Open/Save dialogs I loved so much
2. introduced animations you can't turn off
3. has a bitrotting Konqueror that's killed my interest with a thousand papercuts
4. has a file listing widget that, like Firefox but unlike Qt 3 and GTK, has no dead zone for click-and-drag on my high-resolution mouse so I'm constantly getting drags (and possibly "drag into same folder to make a copy" operations) when I mean to click or double-click.

Yes, despite wanting to get work done, I do still love the new and shiny... I'm just not going to accept a drop in productivity to get it.

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