Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 5th Apr 2013 10:47 UTC
Games More and more evidence is pointing towards the next Xbox requiring an always-on internet connection in order to play any games - i.e., once you lose your connection, you can't play any game at all. Three minutes after losing your connection, "your" game will suspend itself and stop playing. Microsoft's Adam Orth took to Twitter to defend this anti-consumer practice, but he did so in the most ungraceful of ways.
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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by shotsman on Fri 5th Apr 2013 11:15 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
shotsman
Member since:
2005-07-22

Not everyone is online all the time. Some of us still like to go 'off network' in order to get stuff done.

Personally, if you think you need to be online all the time, you are suffering from internet addiction and should get some medical help for that. If you can't face say a 10hr flight without being online then... well isn't it a tiny bit obvious that you need help?

Then there is the cost. Many Mobile/Cell companies are reducing their data limits just at a time when more people are using them. When it is cheaper to spend an hour on the phone to someone on the other side of the world than it is to load up a few web pages while roaming off your home network something is very wrong.

If MS go ahead with this then I know a good number of parents who will simply not bother to upgrade. Another wonderful MS marketing decision... (like TIFKAM?)

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Fri 5th Apr 2013 11:33 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I'm not always on-line, but my Internet connection is.

An increasing number of people, at least here in The Netherlands, use the Internet also for VoIP and television. I personally have my email server at home. We were planning to get television over Internet today.

So if our Internet connection goes down I would immediately try to fix it. It doesn't happen often and when it does it's often a glitch at the provider's end, but it may very well not be. If I leave it down for hours only to find out the problem is worse than imaged a lot of time is already lost.

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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by Lobotomik on Fri 5th Apr 2013 12:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
Lobotomik Member since:
2006-01-03

Well, some people may be even more fortunate than you, and and might enjoy vacations and weekends in houses or apartments in places probably more attractive than the one they usually live in.

It's great that you are happy always at home with your IP landline conversations and Net TV channels. But when I am in the beach for a few weeks I find it nice to break away from the waves and whip out the turbolaser for a shot or two. And I am not fortunate enough to be there enough time every year to justify a second internet bill.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by Laurence on Fri 5th Apr 2013 17:35 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Not everyone is online all the time. Some of us still like to go 'off network' in order to get stuff done.

Personally, if you think you need to be online all the time, you are suffering from internet addiction and should get some medical help for that. If you can't face say a 10hr flight without being online then... well isn't it a tiny bit obvious that you need help?

We're talking home internet connection, not personally doing stuff online constantly while at home; let alone the need to be online while away from the house. (if you're not at home then you're not going to be playing on your XBox anyway, who even cares?)

What's more, the "internet addition" remark is just a personal attack and completely unnecessary.

Why is it some people must insist on posting the most over the top counter arguments? As I would normally be in complete agreement with you on this topic but those comments above are just ridiculous.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by bassbeast on Mon 8th Apr 2013 00:30 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

You know how many people can't get consistent high speed in the USA? A LOT, we are talking millions, probably tens of millions because of cherry picking and the way ISPs care more about handing out CEO bonuses than they do actually growing the company. AT&T hasn't done squat as far as new DSL in years, most of the cablecos aren't spending jack on new lines, even verizon put the brakes on new FIOS rollouts.

I think everyone though is playing small ball and not looking at the big picture which is thus...The history of MSFT can be summed up with "And then the other guy did something REALLY stupid" because you name a MSFT success, from the OS to the browser, Office suites to the game console it can ALL be summed up with that phrase. Even the 360, which got a free shot because the PS3 was priced at $600 USD which was twice what the market would bear.

What we are seeing now is what happens when MSFT doesn't have morons for competition which from the looks of it what we get is "And then MSFT did something REALLY stupid" because honestly they ran off all the good engineers and guys with vision for more marketing drones like Ballmer. From the Frankenstein mess that is Windows 8, Games For Windows Live or as I like to call it "Attack of the bad UI" since you can be on a PC and looking for specifically PC games and get 9 pages of 360 titles, to pricing their stupid tablet waaay more than the market will bear and to add to the stupid trying to force DirectX into mobile which just added a $50K porting cost for most apps which most companies will not spend, to trying to force Windows to be all about "ZOMG we got teh touch just like Apple LOL!" when the OEMs have already said the touchscreen X86 units are going NOWHERE, like the Ultrabook they have warehouses full of the things,hell I could go on all day.

What can we take from this? Well if MSFT doesn't have a competitor that shoots itself in the face MSFT's true colors shine through, which is literally like something out of Dilbert. Copying fads that have come and gone, aping other companies but poorly and without any thought or innovation, its a trainwreck folks. This is from someone that has been selling and servicing MSFT products for nearly a quarter of a century but even I can see this move is to please Wall Street and not the consumer which is pretty much indicative of MSFT under Ballmer, a bunch of PHBs reading the financial times and grabbing whatever buzzwords they see there instead of making products that consumers want and it shows. Win 8 is a flop, WinTab will join the playbook and touchpad, and the OEMs all have Google on the other line talking about Chromebooks...its a mess folks and when the X720 bombs because consumers see its more about Wall Street metrics than making them happy (not to mention Sony learned from their mistake and the PS4 will have a sane price at launch) any of us that has been watching the suicidal stupidity of MSFT these past 5 years really will not be surprised.

And I apologize for the length but some concepts just can't be wrapped up in a soundbyte and this is something I feel strongly about as should anybody that depends on anything made by MSFT to do their jobs. The company is flying off the rails and this move is just one in a loooong string of failures to listen to the public that is really killing the company.

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