Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 5th Apr 2013 10:47 UTC
Games More and more evidence is pointing towards the next Xbox requiring an always-on internet connection in order to play any games - i.e., once you lose your connection, you can't play any game at all. Three minutes after losing your connection, "your" game will suspend itself and stop playing. Microsoft's Adam Orth took to Twitter to defend this anti-consumer practice, but he did so in the most ungraceful of ways.
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RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sat 6th Apr 2013 14:34 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

It's a bit odd that you clearly haven't understood what I wrote and kind of accuse me of being Internet addicted and then go on to reveal you go to a beach house to play on a game console. Perhaps playing games and aggression do go hand in hand.

I merely stated that fixing an Internet connection has my higher priority than playing games. Not because I'm an addict, but because my Internet connection provides more than just a way of web surfing.

But don't worry, if it goes down it has an automatic wireless Internet fallback system.

So far the only arguments I've seen on why people's Internet connections aren't always-on is remote farmers and some guy preferring to take his game console to places without Internet.

I was against the always-on requirement, but I'm starting to be less certain now.

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RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510
by Lobotomik on Sat 6th Apr 2013 16:26 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510"
Lobotomik Member since:
2006-01-03

Well, when I have free time I like to get to choose what do with it. I cannot understand what is wrong about using my toys whenever I see fit, rather than when Microsoft does.

Why dou you think everybody should share your scale of preferences? Why should they first ensure they have an internet connection going, then worry about anything else? What if they don't have it, out of choice or fate?

It is your patronising attitude that is a bit irritating, reducing the world to rich guys in modern cities who deserve being catered for, and romantic farmers in far away lands that grow food for them but have no internet. Oh, and nasty guys with houses on the beach that do nothing but play games.

People are more variate than you and Microsoft picture or care for, as are their circumstances.

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RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510
by MacTO on Sun 7th Apr 2013 13:53 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510"
MacTO Member since:
2006-09-21

Consoles aren't a big part of my life, so I tend to buy the latest consoles just before a new generation is released. (Partially due to a wide selection of games, and partially due to the cost of the hardware and games.) I recently jumped onto the PS3 bandwagon and was shocked by how inconvenient modern consoles are: long registration processes, cumbersome updates, and slow retrieval of online content are all part of that picture. A friend recently jumped on the WiiU bandwagon and faced the same issues.

It sounds like Microsoft's attitude is pushing gaming even further in the direction of inconvenience. This is probably the worse decision that console makers can make at this time. Simply put, there are too many alternatives out there. That's true for hard core gamers and it's even more true for casual gamers.

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RE[8]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sun 7th Apr 2013 14:49 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I recently bought a Wii U for my son's birthday. On first boot I had to update the firmware, which took a long time.

During the 80's and 90's when I was in to playing computer games as much as possible the advantage of a console over a home computer was instant playability. Just insert the cartridge, turn it on and you could play.

Playing on a home computer involved long loading times from tape or diskette.

It's a shame they couldn't keep this advantage alive.

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RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510
by mightshade on Sun 7th Apr 2013 14:22 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510"
mightshade Member since:
2008-11-20

So far the only arguments I've seen on why people's Internet connections aren't always-on is remote farmers and some guy preferring to take his game console to places without Internet.

There's a lot of possible reasons. From my own experience just in Q1 of 2013, we had:
- switched internet providers. They couldn't get their act together and we had no internet access for over a week.
- workers at a construction side in the city destroyed "some really important cable" *cough* and half of the city (including us) had no internet acces for a couple of days, then a day or two with reduced bandwidth and reliability, until it was properly fixed.

In both cases there was nothing we could do to fix it. (And nevertheless I was able to continue to do my work and play my games - I can't say "always on" sounds in any way attractive to me after those outages)

Edited 2013-04-07 14:23 UTC

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RE[8]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sun 7th Apr 2013 14:57 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Well, these things are exceptions, just like that kid who takes his game console everywhere he goes.

But it's an artificial mandatory requirement. Artificial, because it really doesn't have to be.

It would be kind of okay if we, the players, got something positive in return.

Right now it's just a rumor and it may not be in the final product and we don't know the why yet, but it's probably some kind of DRM.

I guess we can't stop companies from doing DRM just like they can't stop us bypassing it, but I think DRM should be transparent. I don't mind them doing all kinds or DRM techniques if I don't notice it and it doesn't hinder me playing games. I don't even mind them validating on-line a new game I bought if it's done once.

What will happen now is that when the Internet connection goes down or there is some glitch somewhere all the 100% legal players can't play anymore, while the ones using modified consoles and pirated games can carry on playing.

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