Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Apr 2013 10:34 UTC
Legal After Microsoft's extortion racket has failed to stop Android, and after Oracle's crazy baseless lawsuit failed to stop Android, and after Nokia adopting Windows Phone failed to stop Android, Microsoft, Nokia, and Oracle are now grasping the next straw in their fruitless efforts to stop Android: they've filed an antitrust complaint with the EU, claiming Google unfairly bundles applications with Android.
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WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

Google isn't forcing anyone to do anything. IF you want to ship "Android" you have to have certain apps installed


And THAT is what they're forcing vendors to do. According to what the article says, you can't ship a device running Android and only include certain apps, while not including others. It's either ALL or NOTHING. In other words, Nokia couldn't ship a phone running Android, with the Google Play store installed, and then include their own mapping solution while leaving Google Maps off.

I'm not arguing whether Google is justified or not in enforcing this requirement, but that is what the complaint is about.

Edited 2013-04-10 00:15 UTC

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

WorknMan,

"And THAT is what they're forcing vendors to do. According to what the article says, you can't ship a device running Android and only include certain apps, while not including others."


Precisely. Some will find it debatable whether this is harmful, and nearly everyone will find it ironic that microsoft has been convicted of the same sort of bundling in the past. Microsoft's intentions may not be pure, but it seems logical to me that if it was illegal for microsoft, then it should be illegal for google as well in the markets which they have a monopoly.

Hopefully google will just concede and allow vendors to bundle whatever they please. It's not like google needs to bundle software to attract users - they still have a tremendous marketing advantage in the android ecosystem due to their brand.

Edited 2013-04-10 01:03 UTC

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Hopefully google will just concede and allow vendors to bundle whatever they please.


They already do so. Vendors can already bundle whatever they please.

There is perhaps a certain minimum set of apps that must be shipped before one can call one's device "Android", but AFAIK they don't have to be Google's apps. Nokia could ship Nokia maps if they want to.

After all, "Android" is a product of the Open Handset Alliance, not just Google.

http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/

Welcome to the Open Handset Allianceâ„¢, a group of 84 technology and mobile companies who have come together to accelerate innovation in mobile and offer consumers a richer, less expensive, and better mobile experience. Together we have developed Androidâ„¢, the first complete, open, and free mobile platform.


http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Google isn't forcing anyone to do anything. IF you want to ship "Android" you have to have certain apps installed


And THAT is what they're forcing vendors to do. According to what the article says, you can't ship a device running Android and only include certain apps, while not including others. It's either ALL or NOTHING. In other words, Nokia couldn't ship a phone running Android, with the Google Play store installed, and then include their own mapping solution while leaving Google Maps off.
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My Android tablet shipped with Android, with the Google Play store installed, but left Google Maps off.

If Kogan Australia could do it, why couldn't Nokia?

I think the complaint is utterly bogus ... there is no valid complaint there at all.

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chandler Member since:
2006-08-29

[My Android tablet shipped with Android, with the Google Play store installed, but left Google Maps off.

If Kogan Australia could do it, why couldn't Nokia?


I've seen a number of small manufacturers who ship Google Play even though they have not gone through the compatibility program. Looking at the Google Play Developer Console, where all compatible devices are listed in order for app developers to manually exclude devices, I couldn't find any reference to Kogan, or anything that looked like a relevant model number. My suspicion is that they're not actually Google certified.

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TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

"Google isn't forcing anyone to do anything. IF you want to ship "Android" you have to have certain apps installed


And THAT is what they're forcing vendors to do. According to what the article says, you can't ship a device running Android and only include certain apps, while not including others. It's either ALL or NOTHING. In other words, Nokia couldn't ship a phone running Android, with the Google Play store installed, and then include their own mapping solution while leaving Google Maps off.
"


I should have been clearer, my apologies. You can not ship a device with Android and call it Android. To use the term Android, you must meet certain minimums. Amazon and B&N both ship Android, without having any Google apps. They just don't use the trademark Android when they advertise. Just like Google uses Java as a language, but doesn't say it uses Java.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Sorry if it isn't certified as an Android Device it cannot be an Android Device. It is something that is very similar but not the same.

IF it doesn't have exactly the same set of features it cannot be called one.

This is basic requirements engineering.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

"Google isn't forcing anyone to do anything. IF you want to ship "Android" you have to have certain apps installed


And THAT is what they're forcing vendors to do. According to what the article says, you can't ship a device running Android and only include certain apps, while not including others. It's either ALL or NOTHING. In other words, Nokia couldn't ship a phone running Android, with the Google Play store installed, and then include their own mapping solution while leaving Google Maps off.
"

Yes, in fact, they could.

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