Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Apr 2013 18:44 UTC
Google "Beneath the sheen of do-gooder ideology, FairSearch can be most charitably described as a Google watchdog. It seeks to fan the flames of disapproval where they've started organically, originate them where they haven't, and generally disseminate negativity toward the Google brand. Think of it as a PR firm working to destroy rather than create goodwill." To make matters worse, FairSearch' work isn't even very good.
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RE: Mixed feelings about this
by cipri on Fri 12th Apr 2013 23:04 UTC in reply to "Mixed feelings about this"
cipri
Member since:
2007-02-15

Related to google fibre:
you noticed that you can get google fibre for free (just some little connection costs) and forever (as long as it exists). And even the bandwith of the free version is not that slow. In a lot of countries for that bandwith you pay a lot of money every month.
Nobody is forcing you do be a client of google.
There others too that offer searching services, others who offer a replacement of google maps, g+, youtube,... the list is very long.

A tone of opensource projects are sponsored by google, that's why a lot of commercial products, became more cheap or even free.
Try to imagine how it was in the era before google, when you had to pay a lot for even simple software of services, or you had to pirate. Now, with the help of google, we have a quite good open source community, that offers a lot of operating systems and software, which are sufficient for most of people.
Take a look for example how much money google invested in opensource projects, and how much patents they bought from others, and then released it under opensource licenses. Google chrome improved my web experience a lot, and the sync function works great, nomatter on what device I am (at home, or at a computer at school, etc..).
Why is google so successful? Because they are intelligent, because they have great developers, and it's fine if the market is dominated by the capable and intelligent once. And the others who are incapable of good innovations, come up with license claims for inventing the wheel and the fire.
Ask yourself why does CERN (fundamental research center) use the google hangouts?
Because they are not ideologic idiots.
Kasparov was for about 20 years the world champion in chess. Should somebody have told him: mr. kasparov, please slow down, so that others have a chance too, otherwise you have the monopole in chess.
What do you expect, that the stupid ones should have the same success as the intelligent ones?
What should google do? Send some of its developers to microsoft to help them finally make a good browser and search engine?
Microsoft has a lot of money. If they want, they can buy good developers too, and they also can make their OS (windows) open source and microsoft can start supporting open source projects, if they think that these "unfair methods" are making google successfull.

Edited 2013-04-12 23:06 UTC

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Why is google so successful? Because they are intelligent, because they have great developers, and it's fine if the market is dominated by the capable and intelligent once.


Oh yeah, they're intelligent alright... intelligent enough to have people believing that all the free and open shit they're currently getting is going to stay free and open forever. But once their competition is eliminated and they have your balls in the vice grip, it's going to be a thousand hells worse than anything we saw with Microsoft and IE6/Office.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't use their products, just that we should be weary of them, and shouldn't blindly trust that they're always going to do the right thing. Why? Because they're a publicly-traded corporation. These entities ONLY do the right thing so long as it serves their bottom line.

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TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Why do you assume that once their competition is gone they are going to turn into something worse than Microsoft? You seem to be missing one important thing in my opinion. Microsoft turned into a monster by eliminating the competition. Their monopoly came from shady business practices and a will to own the entire market. Google's success comes from being more innovative that the competition. Google is doing none of the things that Microsoft did to eliminate competition. In fact, they are for the most part going out of their way to promote open technologies.

I know its not popular, but contrary to most people's beliefs, you don't have to be a total douchebag if you run a corporation. There are some corporations that actually have a set of values. Do you think Red Hat is going to turn around some day and go all close source and scorn the open source community?

You can't compare companies like Google and Red Hat with other companies. They are companies whose business is built on community good will. When that's gone they will be out of business. Considering there are alternatives for everything Red Hat and Google do, do you really think they would stay in business is the community turned against them?

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GraphiteCube Member since:
2009-04-01

No comments on other points but...

"and microsoft can start supporting open source projects"

Actually they have CodePlex to host open source projects. Many Windows (Phone) development components are hosted over CodePlex (from Microsoft and 3rd party developers).

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cipri Member since:
2007-02-15

No comments on other points but...

"and microsoft can start supporting open source projects"

Actually they have CodePlex to host open source projects. Many Windows (Phone) development components are hosted over CodePlex (from Microsoft and 3rd party developers).

when I say support, I also mean real money, like Google Summer of Code.

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