Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 14th Apr 2013 18:22 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
Windows You can say what you will about Windows Phone and Windows 8's Metro interface (I refuse to drop that name) - it's inefficient, unpopular, cumbersome, beautiful, ugly, organised, clean, limiting - but there's one thing we can all agree on: it's unique and distinctive. CNet has published a profile of Microsoft's Albert Shum, the man behind Metro, and he highlights what I think is at the very core of Microsoft's problems in mobile right now.
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RE[2]: Graphical Clutter
by leos on Sun 14th Apr 2013 23:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Graphical Clutter"
leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

But iOS *is* confusing. Just like every other platform.

All platforms are obtuse, complicated, and confusing. You just have to pick which one pisses you off the least.


Nope. Part of my job is teaching people with brain injuries how to use our apps (iOS). The huge difference between iOS/Android and Win8 is that on iOS/Android, all available actions are afforded by the UI. On Win8 you need to know and remember several non-obvious gestures to find functionality in the UI that you otherwise would never stumble across.
There is a HUGE difference between an interface that you can use by exploration, and one that requires memory. Yes most people can _learn_ to use Windows 8, but essentially no one can figure it out without instruction.
Nevermind the distinction between desktop and metro mode on Win8 tablets, trying to explain that to a non-technical user is hopeless.

As for Metro itself, the reason it is beautiful is humans appreciate simplicity. This is the trick that is used on every mockup for any new UI. The designers leave out the necessary complexity and it looks great. The problem with Metro is that they tried to actually take their beautiful mockups to market as a product, and so we ended up with the beautiful but completely unusable apps like the Windows App store, Windows Photo app, Windows Mail app, etc that are universally hated.

Edited 2013-04-14 23:54 UTC

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RE[3]: Graphical Clutter
by Flatland_Spider on Mon 15th Apr 2013 20:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Graphical Clutter"
Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

Yes most people can _learn_ to use Windows 8, but essentially no one can figure it out without instruction.


You can replace "use" with another verb and "Windows 8" with another noun, and it's still true. ;)

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RE[4]: Graphical Clutter
by ze_jerkface on Tue 16th Apr 2013 06:32 in reply to "RE[3]: Graphical Clutter"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

"Yes most people can _learn_ to use Windows 8, but essentially no one can figure it out without instruction.


You can replace "use" with another verb and "Windows 8" with another noun, and it's still true. ;)
"

Is it?

Yes most people can learn to resurrect Abraham Lincoln, but essentially no one can figure it out without instruction

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RE[3]: Graphical Clutter
by bassbeast on Tue 16th Apr 2013 09:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Graphical Clutter"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

What amazes me is this...how can you get it so wrong when you have obvious examples of what work? I mean sure you don't want to put out a copy, but just because you don't want to copy a Chevy doesn't mean you put handlebars on your new pickup truck, that is just dumb. They did the same stupidity with GFWL, which should be a lesson in "how NOT to sell games" as the whole UI is so badly made you often can't even find what you are seriously TRYING to give them money for!

The real stupid part is you had all these beta testers, people that cared enough to actually 1.-Download the OS, 2.-Install it on actual hardware, 3.-Run the OS day to day and 4.- Be willing to report the findings in the hopes of making the OS better. These are guys that frankly are ALREADY in your corner so just ignoring them when they tell you "This is just terrible" is just asking for it. I mean what did the beta testers say about the last two? That Vista was terrible and Win 7 was great, and what do ya know but Vista flopped and Win 7 sold well. Just goes to show that if a company is determined to do something REALLY dumb all the warnings in the world just ain't gonna help.

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RE[4]: Graphical Clutter
by zima on Sun 21st Apr 2013 17:47 in reply to "RE[3]: Graphical Clutter"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

what did the beta testers say about the last two? That Vista was terrible and Win 7 was great, and what do ya know but Vista flopped and Win 7 sold well.

So Vista was terrible, and VistaSE (aka Windows "let's use a marketing trick of lucky 7") great and adored... that does put some perspective on the potential of Win 8.1

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