Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 14th Apr 2013 18:22 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
Windows You can say what you will about Windows Phone and Windows 8's Metro interface (I refuse to drop that name) - it's inefficient, unpopular, cumbersome, beautiful, ugly, organised, clean, limiting - but there's one thing we can all agree on: it's unique and distinctive. CNet has published a profile of Microsoft's Albert Shum, the man behind Metro, and he highlights what I think is at the very core of Microsoft's problems in mobile right now.
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Weasel Words Much?
by HappyGod on Mon 15th Apr 2013 03:20 UTC in reply to "Comment by porcel"
HappyGod
Member since:
2005-10-19

It's always the vast majority isn't it? It's never just the majority.

And exactly how many people have you observed? 1? 2? 5?

Irresepective of your answer, the point is that you have observed an extremely small sample set of the people using the product, and it therefore doesn't matter.

The subjective experience of millions is what is condemning the Windows mobile platform


People are definitely not buying Windows phones. That's true enough. But that fact alone doesn't support any of your assertions.

There's no evidence to suggest that the handful of people that actually do buy MS phones don't like them.

It is my personal opinion (based on my own equally limited viewpoint) that people simply are not aware of Microsoft's offering. The people I know simply buy another iPhone or Android, and are surprised when they see the phone I'm using.

I regularly have to explain the difference between an S3, and my AtivS.

I've seen a few MS ads for the Surface, and one or two for the Lumia, but I think MS just needs to spend a bit of cash on advertising.

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RE: Weasel Words Much?
by shotsman on Mon 15th Apr 2013 06:13 in reply to "Weasel Words Much?"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

You obviously have not seen the amount of advertising that MS has done in the UK for their latest OS. Lots on TV. Full page spreads in newspapers and magazines etc etc.

Just go into the main High St retailer (Currys/PC World) and all you will see is Windows 8 on show. It is very rare to find anyone using it.

KB shortcuts are all right is you are right handed.
METRO is a complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned (on the desktop). This move towards full screen everything is a real PITA (IMHO).

No one I know has a good word to say for it.

I will continue to use Windows 7. When I can't do so any longer than it will be time for me to say 'bye-bye' to MS and I've been in Computing longer than MS has been a company. I will not use TIFKAM/METRO and there is not way anyone from MS can make me change my mind.

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RE: Weasel Words Much?
by chithanh on Mon 15th Apr 2013 10:19 in reply to "Weasel Words Much?"
chithanh Member since:
2006-06-18

There's no evidence to suggest that the handful of people that actually do buy MS phones don't like them.

Hard numbers are difficult to find because Microsoft does not disclose them. But it seems generally agreed upon that one metric (return rates) is not favorable towards Windows Phone.

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RE[2]: Weasel Words Much?
by HappyGod on Mon 15th Apr 2013 11:52 in reply to "RE: Weasel Words Much?"
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

But it seems generally agreed upon that one metric (return rates) is not favorable towards Windows Phone.


Generally agreed upon by whom? People on this website? That's hardly indicative of the general public. And if, as you say, we have no hard numbers, on what are we basing our agreement? Intuition?

I have no problem with speculation. Speculation is fine. But lets be honest; nobody here really knows for sure why WP8 is not selling.

I would guess though, that Metro has very little, if anything, to do with WP8's poor sales. I'd also guess that Metro has quite a lot to do with why Windows 8 isn't selling on the desktop.

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RE: Weasel Words Much?
by dukes on Mon 15th Apr 2013 20:45 in reply to "Weasel Words Much?"
dukes Member since:
2005-07-06

It's always the vast majority isn't it? It's never just the majority.

And exactly how many people have you observed? 1? 2? 5?

Irresepective of your answer, the point is that you have observed an extremely small sample set of the people using the product, and it therefore doesn't matter.

"The subjective experience of millions is what is condemning the Windows mobile platform


People are definitely not buying Windows phones. That's true enough. But that fact alone doesn't support any of your assertions.

There's no evidence to suggest that the handful of people that actually do buy MS phones don't like them.

It is my personal opinion (based on my own equally limited viewpoint) that people simply are not aware of Microsoft's offering. The people I know simply buy another iPhone or Android, and are surprised when they see the phone I'm using.

I regularly have to explain the difference between an S3, and my AtivS.

I've seen a few MS ads for the Surface, and one or two for the Lumia, but I think MS just needs to spend a bit of cash on advertising.
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Actually people are buying Windows phones. But not to the numbers of an Apple or Android device. This is what gets people confused about platforms. Windows Phone has its own community thriving on several websites including Nokia's own.

Also what I see confusing people are sales numbers for the USA only. Nokia sells globally. Their Windows Phone sales has actually been pretty good for what they set out to accomplish.

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