Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Apr 2013 16:37 UTC
Windows Microsoft's Terry Myerson, corporate vice president of Windows Phone, talks about the competition. "With iPhone, I sense that it's running out of steam. With iOS, [Apple] just added a fifth row of icons. Android is... kind of a mess. Look at Samsung - there's clearly mutiny going on. The only OEM making money off of Android is Samsung." There's truth to all these statements, which makes it all the more surprising that Microsoft appears to be unable to properly capitalise on them. Sure, WP appears to be doing well in a few select markets, but by no means the kind of success Microsoft and (Nokia) was banking on. Microsoft will pull through. Nokia on the other hand...
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Bleah
by twitterfire on Tue 16th Apr 2013 17:13 UTC
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2008-09-11

" The only OEM making money off of Android is Samsung."

So, if you don't make billions, you don't make money. Making just 1 billion or a hundred million, clearly doesn't matter.

There are lots and lots of smaller Android vendors. LG, Sony, HTC, Motorola might not make as much as Samsung but they are making some money. Chinese companies like Lenovo, Huawei, Zte, Xiaomi, Star, Jiayu which sell tens of millions of Android devices make even less money.

Not anybody is so greedy, not all vendors are cashing in like Apple and Samsung but Android is in hundreds millions of devices and that is what matters.

Like it or not, Android is the dominant mobile platform.

Saying that you don't make money selling Android devices, won't help MS sell more Windows Phones or tablets.

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RE: Bleah
by TemporalBeing on Tue 16th Apr 2013 17:18 in reply to "Bleah"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

" The only OEM making money off of Android is Samsung."
...
Saying that you don't make money selling Android devices, won't help MS sell more Windows Phones or tablets.


Very, very true.

After all, if you can't make money with Android, how are you going to make money with WP?

For WP, not only do you have to still write and debug the drivers (like with WinCE, there's too much hardware diversification for drivers to spread like with Windows on Intel), but you also have to pay the licensing fees, which are at least what Microsoft is trying to extort from vendors for their patents for Android. (Not saying those patents are valid, just pointing out what they are doing.)

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RE[2]: Bleah
by Nelson on Tue 16th Apr 2013 17:29 in reply to "RE: Bleah"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


For WP, not only do you have to still write and debug the drivers (like with WinCE, there's too much hardware diversification for drivers to spread like with Windows on Intel),


You write a small amount of driver code compared to other platforms because Microsoft has a rather short list of hardware configurations that you must adhere to.

The SoC (including cellular radios and WiFi) and GPU are pretty much set in stone. You can differentiate on camera technology and other small things, but its no major haul.

Also, Microsoft works pretty closely with its OEMs. Not always the case on other platforms.

That being said, moving to the NT Kernel enables a familiar driver model to OEMs, plus most Android devices use these same chipsets and components anyway.


but you also have to pay the licensing fees, which are at least what Microsoft is trying to extort from vendors for their patents for Android. (Not saying those patents are valid, just pointing out what they are doing.)


Plus likely a little more, since you're only paying Microsoft off to use Android. Then there's Apple, Nokia, and others who will soon come knocking.

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RE[2]: Bleah
by phoudoin on Wed 17th Apr 2013 09:48 in reply to "RE: Bleah"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

But Microsoft is making money from Android!
Thru patents royalties they enforce on android devices makers.

I guess he still call it a mess only because these royalties don't compensate for the loss from WP and W8 sales...

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