Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Apr 2013 17:30 UTC
Google "The first Google-influenced Motorola phones will start to appear in the second half of 2013, Wicks said, and if you like smaller form-factor devices or stock Android, you're going to be excited." This is exactly what the market needs, to be honest. Stock Android phones straight from Google that aren't Nexus devices. Nexus devices are nice, but are available in a limited set of countries only, and the Nexus 4 is continuously out of stock. Hopefully Motorola will do a better job on the availability front.
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by lucas_maximus on Tue 16th Apr 2013 21:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Re:"
lucas_maximus
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2009-08-18

Never

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by Lobotomik on Wed 17th Apr 2013 08:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Re:"
Lobotomik Member since:
2006-01-03

I hate to agree with you on this, though it could be different.

It is really unfortunate: A mediocre and expensive filing system will be the standard for high capacity cards, when ameras, media players, tablets, phones and computers could all share a free, high performance filing system.

If Apple had any interest in external media, it could be pulled together. It need not even be a Linux original FS, it could be one of the FreeBSD filing systems which Apple already supports and are also supported by Linux kernel. It could be jointly marketed by mostly everybody that makes consumer electronics, be it cellphones, tablets, cameras or whatever.

Hardly anybody is using cards over 32GB yet, and that is probably because of the costs associated with licensing and porting Microsoft's FS for flash cards. If a new, free, Fs were introduced, it would not inconvenience users yet if new devices offered to reformat the cards.

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Flash file systems
by MA_Bravo on Wed 17th Apr 2013 15:52 in reply to "RE[3]: Re:"
MA_Bravo Member since:
2013-01-13

I'd like to see something like F2FS, or one of the other flash file systems specifically designed for the task, succeed. They could be freely licensed and used as an industry standard. That would solve both the business and the technical issues we're having right now.

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by Athlander on Wed 17th Apr 2013 09:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Re:"
Athlander Member since:
2008-03-10

Never


Very probably true, but maybe Google will say sdcards have to be formatted to ext4. Using the device as USB storage will allow some degree of file transfer and there could be a warning that directly using sdcards formatted by the device "will not be compatible with Windows. #dealwithit."

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by Neolander on Wed 17th Apr 2013 15:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Re:"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Very probably true, but maybe Google will say sdcards have to be formatted to ext4. Using the device as USB storage will allow some degree of file transfer and there could be a warning that directly using sdcards formatted by the device "will not be compatible with Windows. #dealwithit."

If I understand how the MTP file transfer protocol used by Android ICS and up works, a client computer never actually gets to see the filesystem on the SD card. It only uses a set of standard queries to probe it, while the phone's virtual filesystem does the actual work in the background.

Two advantages of this approach are that 1/both OSs are seemingly able to access the SD card at the same time and 2/the underlying FS doesn't matter, and a Windows computer should be able to access an Ext4-formatted SD card through an Android phone that supports both Ext4 and MTP.

Can someone who is more familiar with MTP than me confirm this?

Edited 2013-04-17 15:59 UTC

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by JAlexoid on Wed 17th Apr 2013 10:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Re:"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Correct.

All thanks to Microsoft for pushing exFAT as a mandatory piece of SDXC spec.

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by robmv on Wed 17th Apr 2013 22:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Re:"
robmv Member since:
2006-08-12

Why not?, the first Windows Phone hardware used a SD Card with an internal format and the documentation said that the SD Card was designed to be used only with the phone, not to be extracted and use on other devices

If they do exactly that, promote the SD Card only as an expansion for the phone but not as an interchange format, and continue to use MTP to access it, there shouldn't be any problem. In practical use a lot of people use the SD Card as a permanent expansion for their phone. I don't see people moving cards from their camera to their phones, it is a good use case but if you want to avoid Microsoft trollish patents, you need a compromise

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