Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Apr 2013 11:21 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia has posted its quarterly results for the first quarter of 2013, and just like the quarters that came before, there's not a whole lot of good news in there. The rise in Lumia sales still can't even dream of making up for the sales drop in Symbian phones, and when broken down in versions, the sales figures for Windows Phone 8 Lumias in particular are very disappointing. In North America, Nokia is getting slaughtered.
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RE[7]: What would save Nokia
by Nelson on Thu 18th Apr 2013 15:07 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: What would save Nokia"
Nelson
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2005-11-29

That isn't what sequential growth means. It means growth Quarter over Quarter compared to themselves, not growth compared to anyone else.

Its useful for measuring momentum without having your figures diluted by a transitional year. Everyone already knows that Nokia isn't selling tens of millions of phones a quarter. We know this.

What is additionally useful though is how Nokia is operating on a more short term basis because it can give hints towards future trends. If the trend is that Nokia is steadily increasing its volumes, then it can be seen as an indicator of slow but steady growth.

It is also why I repeatedly bring out regional breakdowns of sales because it helps to serve as an early indicator of growth of the platform.

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RE[8]: What would save Nokia
by twitterfire on Thu 18th Apr 2013 16:10 in reply to "RE[7]: What would save Nokia"
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11

It means growth Quarter over Quarter compared to themselves, not growth compared to anyone else.

Let's compare Nokia's profits from 2007 or 2008 with profits from 2012, then.


If the trend is that Nokia is steadily increasing its volumes, then it can be seen as an indicator of slow but steady growth.

Nobody is saying they don't grow. But the speed at which they grow is very slow. And if that slow growing speed is applied to a low market share, overall numbers are still bad.

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RE[9]: What would save Nokia
by Nelson on Thu 18th Apr 2013 16:17 in reply to "RE[8]: What would save Nokia"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I think we have an agreement, you just want to disagree with me very bad. I don't disagree that Nokia is selling less phones than before. That's irrefutable fact. They are. Their traditional markets are collapsing.

What I am commenting on are the positive signs in their new strategy, and why it isn't necessarily doomed to fail. I'm also countering the ludicrous notion that Nokia is going to die anytime soon.

Their feature phone business and Symbian sales having trouble is an indictment on those respective things. However, with regards to Windows Phone itself, their strategy, is going pretty well.

They're not going to go from 0-20million phones a quarter over night. Establishing a brand, a fleet of devices, catching up competitively, seeding the developer ecosystem, setting up the infrastructure and sales channel personnel, making the right content and app deals, etc. all takes time to translate into an appreciable return on investment.

I don't understand what exactly people expect Nokia to sell, or what they would expect Nokia to sell with Android. Surely you didn't expect them to be pumping out those type of numbers by now with Android, did you?

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