Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 19th Apr 2013 09:31 UTC
Windows "Many PC OEMs are dissatisfied with what Microsoft has done with Windows 8 and the way the company has handled the negative response to the operating system. Privately, one OEM source told me that Microsoft is 'destroying' the PC industry, while another claimed that Windows 8 has 'handed over millions of customers to Apple'. Other OEMs are making their displeasure known publicly. Both Lenovo and Samsung have released Start button replacements for Windows 8." Windows Phone isn't the only thing not catching on. I'm really happy with my Surface RT - warts and all - but there's no denying the response to Windows 8 has been Vista-esque bad.
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Definitely related
by wocowboy on Fri 19th Apr 2013 10:12 UTC
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Member since:
2006-06-01

The "failures" of both Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 are definitely related. They share a basic core and they share a basic interface that has been pretty much rejected by the buying public, plain and simple. They just don't like it, for various reasons, but they are the same for both products.

Microsoft had set itself up for huge success if both these platforms had been successful. With both featuring the same interface, the synergies would have been huge, sales of one would compel sales of the other since customers would have been familiar with how each one worked, but that just has not happened to any sort of great degree. Face it, both products are failures overall. The phone OS has lost to both Android and iOS, and by extension the desktop OS has as well.

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RE: Definitely related
by Brendan on Fri 19th Apr 2013 10:47 in reply to "Definitely related"
Brendan Member since:
2005-11-16

Hi,

The "failures" of both Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 are definitely related. They share a basic core and they share a basic interface that has been pretty much rejected by the buying public, plain and simple. They just don't like it, for various reasons, but they are the same for both products.


I'm not convinced. As far as I can tell, Windows 8 is failing because they screwed up the user interface (e.g. user interface designed for small touch screens being used for large screens with keyboard/mouse); and Windows Phone 8 is failing simply because the competition had about 5 years to get established/entrenched before Windows Phone 8 was released.

- Brendan

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RE[2]: Definitely related
by cdude on Fri 19th Apr 2013 14:25 in reply to "RE: Definitely related"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

> Windows 8 is failing because they screwed up the user interface

No doubt on that. Win Metro is touch-optimized not desktop/workstation-optimized. More so Win8 is complicated like hell with its two totally different concepts, classic and metro, combined into one UI. Not enough most important elements from classic where removed.

It is what it is. An unfinished intermediate state and when they had to deliver they put both together just to get it working and have something to ship.

That it has in common with Vista except that the deadline was this time more important then the resulting product. Vista had glitches, so many of them that it was not a pleas sure to use it. But it was never ever in an unfinished transition-phase.

Microsoft says so itself. Blue is supposed to finish the transition. Yet the first reviews I read so far show its not doing so. Its still the classic with the total incompatible Metro combined into one desktop.

They and us fail to realize that this isn't about a missing start menu. This are the sympthons. Customers like to go back before Metro. Reason is also not Metro even in its unfinished and unpolished desktop version. Reason is that they combined both worlds in a horrible way. They could have done classic with a theme-switch to all-Metro, with changed concepts for input-methods (mouse, keyboard) and output-methods (large screens, multiple windows or split-levels), etc. But just taking that Metro small-screen, touch, phone optimized UI and connecting it with a switch to classic while removing most central classic functionality is failed as designed.

This is not classic and it is not metro. It is clatro missing the advantages of both and combining the disadvantages. That's what it is. Complicated, inconsistent, half-done, under construction. Not something I would exchange my working desktop for to get sh*t done but something to look at as a preview-candidate.

Solution is the combination. Either make it perfect so both worlds are not constantly switched and each world works for its own. Or work on unification. Take classic concepts to Metro, optimize Metro for desktop. It will not be the same Metro like on phone but it could still be similar to some degree.

Microsoft needs to decide if desktop is still the most important business for them or if mobile is. If its desktop then deliver for desktop else you fail like on mobile.

Edited 2013-04-19 14:39 UTC

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RE[2]: Definitely related
by Jaxxed on Fri 19th Apr 2013 22:55 in reply to "RE: Definitely related"
Jaxxed Member since:
2010-05-29

I also don't thinks it's as simple as a UI rejection.

I haven't used Win myself in years, but I was excited by there concept when it came out. I like the tile concept (it's better than a menu) and I have littleuse for a desktop (moet userdesktops ar either a few static program launchers, or a cluttered mess.)
Now that I've had a chance to use it for a while, I reject it t for poor quality, and some missing UX (windows switcher sux', and the IE experience is horrible.)

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RE[2]: Definitely related
by Yoko_T on Sat 20th Apr 2013 00:16 in reply to "RE: Definitely related"
Yoko_T Member since:
2011-08-18

Hi,

"The "failures" of both Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 are definitely related. They share a basic core and they share a basic interface that has been pretty much rejected by the buying public, plain and simple. They just don't like it, for various reasons, but they are the same for both products.


I'm not convinced. As far as I can tell, Windows 8 is failing because they screwed up the user interface (e.g. user interface designed for small touch screens being used for large screens with keyboard/mouse); and Windows Phone 8 is failing simply because the competition had about 5 years to get established/entrenched before Windows Phone 8 was released.

- Brendan
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Windows 8 is failing for pretty much the same reasons Gnome 3 and Unity has/is/will fail.

You've got a bunch of arrogant pricks deciding that they've got the right to tell people how they should should be using *THEIR* computer hardware.

Not a recipe for success.

They should've learned the CueCat lession....

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RE: Definitely related
by twitterfire on Sat 20th Apr 2013 09:40 in reply to "Definitely related"
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11

The "failures" of both Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 are definitely related.


You are wrong. Windows Phone doesn't lack sells because of its interface which is a very good fit for a phone, but mostly because lack of applications and cheap (like in $100 android phones cheap) devices.

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