Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 12:10 UTC
Windows The Verge confirms an earlier story by Mary Jo Foley. "Microsoft is preparing to revive the traditional Start button it killed with Windows 8. Sources familiar with Microsoft's plans have revealed to The Verge that Windows 8.1 will include the return of the Start button. We understand that the button will act as a method to simply access the Start Screen, and will not include the traditional Start Menu. The button is said to look near-identical to the existing Windows flag used in the Charm bar."
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Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 12:24 UTC
MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

It's not really bringing back the Start button. It's placing a button that links to the Start screen and make it look like the traditional one.

That's not really much or any improvement over the hot corner or hitting the Windows key.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by avgalen on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 13:05 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

You are entirely correct. It is amazing how much "newsvalue" a "boot to desktop" and "startbutton" can gather.

Most people boot their machine ones per day at most and clicking the desktop icon takes literally 1 click. The startbutton is just a button on the same place as the start hotcorner is now and is completely useless for everyone that has a windows key on his keyboard.

Let's face it, these 2 changes are only made by Microsoft to make the techpress shut up about "the problems with Windows 8"

If you want to boot to the desktop and get the startmenu (not just a button) back, there are plenty of tools for that, even free ones like this one: http://ninite.com/classicstart/

I have personally used Windows 8 for over a year now and by simply adding the icons of my most used programs to the taskbar, like I did in Windows 7, I only go to the startscreen when I want to and then I actually like it. For me, Windows 8 is just a better Windows 7 and it includes apps that I can use if I want to, iso-mounting, many more codecs, hyperv, the ToGo-version that runs from a USB, settings that sync with my login and so many other improvements on the desktop that I love. All this "boot to desktop and startmenu whining" is such a non-issue for everyday use and still hearing about it after a whole year and now hearing newsitem after newsitem about these "8.1 fixes" is so useless.

When will somebody post anything interesting about Windows 8.1, like "did they improve the Windows Runtime", "Are apps for Phone 8.1 and Windows 8.1 compatible", or "Are new Windows 8 features more discoverable"

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 15:43 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Yes, pinning your favorite apps on to the taskbar negates the need of a Start menu for the most part and the Start menu is not too bad.

What I dislike is the disconnect between the Start menu/Metro stuff and the classic desktop and everything that runs there.

The Start menu can look nice and be informative, but let's say you start Outlook 2013 you are taken to the classic desktop and you can't see the Start menu. Unless you go back, but then you don't see Outlook.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by Nelson on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 16:06 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

So far the word is that the Windows Runtime includes support for more peripherals. Deeper USB, Bluetooth, Kiosk, and Point of Sale APIs are baked into the platform now.

As for WP8.1 and Windows 8.1 parity, I think we'll see more movement in the general direction but nothing completely earth shattering. More APIs will be in sync, but I don't imagine them moving off of the Silverlight stack in Windows Phone until at least WP9.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Alfman on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 15:14 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

MOS6510,

Hmm, it wouldn't let me vote you up.

I thought they might have finally given users the option to disable the annoying (IMHO) jump between desktop and metro modes. If so, I'd have been ready to buy a windows 8 copy to upgrade a windows machine still running xp. I really don't want to hand them any money as long as they're so adamant about ignoring what customers want.

Damn it MS, just give users back the choice already.

Edited 2013-04-22 15:23 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 15:47 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I hope you weren't pressured in to voting me up!

If Microsoft made Windows 8 boot in to classic and gave it back the Start button AND offered the Metro bit, which I think of as a tablet emulator, they'd have a great Windows.

Windows 7 was/is great and Windows 8 is even faster.

But right now it feels like Windows 8 is two unfinished operating systems meshed in to a single one. The Metro side is missing stuff, the classic desktop side is missing stuff (although not as much).

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 15:20 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Obviously, you're speaking from your own personal experience which is cool and everything. But a lot of what you are describing is non obvious to someone sitting down with it for the first time. Its not as familiar as win 7 was. I think someone would do just as good of a job figuring it out as they would with gnome3 or unity.

Eh, I think it lets people know that the hot corner is there. I've seen non techy people get stuck in the desktop on win 8, not sure how to get back to the "block screen". No, they haven't been aware of the windows key that's been there since '95.

I don't understand why they didn't do that in the first place. Maybe having it there will just make people miss win 7's start menu all the more? At least it looks different than the win 7 start button so it gives them a clue its different in function.

Edited 2013-04-22 15:27 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 15:53 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I should think everybody should know by now about the hot corners.

It's hard to imagine people buying Windows 8 and not being able discover it either by themselves or with help AND then upgrading to Windows 8.1.

I just don't think Metro adds anything, yet. It's nice to have a tablet emulator included in Windows, but Microsoft should know there would be at least a very long transition period from classic stuff to more modern Metro.

If Metro means, clean, mean and lacking options I think classic desktop applications will be with us for a long time. Even Office 2013 isn't Metro and after trying it it seems like Office 2010 with a slight Metro facelift.

I and many people think it's easy to fix Windows 8: boot to classic, Start menu, done. Have a boot in to Metro as an option, why not.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by contextfree on Tue 23rd Apr 2013 03:54 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
contextfree Member since:
2009-06-01

They didn't do it because the button couldn't be there outside the desktop (because not showing any system chrome was a goal for the new immersive apps) so putting it on the desktop made it less consistent and actually harder to learn (because rather than learning to click the corner, people would learn "click the button if it's there only it's not there some of the time")

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