Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 12:10 UTC
Windows The Verge confirms an earlier story by Mary Jo Foley. "Microsoft is preparing to revive the traditional Start button it killed with Windows 8. Sources familiar with Microsoft's plans have revealed to The Verge that Windows 8.1 will include the return of the Start button. We understand that the button will act as a method to simply access the Start Screen, and will not include the traditional Start Menu. The button is said to look near-identical to the existing Windows flag used in the Charm bar."
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Even if they do...
by UltraZelda64 on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 16:47 UTC
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

...who cares? What Microsoft desperately tries to take away once, they will surely try to take away again. It's clear already that their own wishes are deemed more important than their users/customers in the end.

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RE: Even if they do...
by Nelson on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 17:17 in reply to "Even if they do..."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Their motivation for removing it in the first place was driven purely by customer feedback through CEIP. The Building 8 blog clearly outlined their rationale and backed it up with statistics they've gathered from customers using Windows.

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RE[2]: Even if they do...
by UltraZelda64 on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 17:28 in reply to "RE: Even if they do..."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

If that's the case, then their "statistics" must have been gathered purely in-house by people who are getting paid by Microsoft's marketing division...

Clearly, now that Windows 8 is out in the wild, the "true" statistics are out.

Say, was it customers who wanted Metro to be foisted upon everyone too? I doubt it. Microsoft had the option to make both of these an option--but instead they decided to try to enforce them, against their resisting customers' wishes. As if removing a core part of Windows since 1995 was such a brilliant, infallable idea that would never be challenged!

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RE[2]: Even if they do...
by Alfman on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 19:32 in reply to "RE: Even if they do..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Nelson,

"Their motivation for removing it in the first place was driven purely by customer feedback through CEIP. The Building 8 blog clearly outlined their rationale and backed it up with statistics they've gathered from customers using Windows."

So they say, I sure didn't buy that excuse the first time round...if anything customers were screaming for the choice to set it back ever since the previews came out. The thing that's especially annoying though is that MS could fix all of these issues without causing any fuss for those who actually like the default windows desktop/metro integration as is. Windows 8 would be a better OS for it.

MS are shooting themselves in the foot with customers who don't like metro, but it's clearly a deliberate part of a longer term strategy to phase customers off the desktop and into their metro app store. I wonder how many lost sales they consider acceptable in pursuit of this strategy. If they could maintain their monopoly and convert a majority of consumers to metro apps over time, it would put them in a position to levy fees on billions of dollars from 3rd party software sales.

Edited 2013-04-22 19:42 UTC

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RE[2]: Even if they do...
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 22:24 in reply to "RE: Even if they do..."
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I think their methodology was deeply flawed. They made that decision based on how people used windows when the start button was there . They didn't go back and see what happened when they removed it. Somethings we have just for decoration, even if they at one point had a real function.

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