Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 12:10 UTC
Windows The Verge confirms an earlier story by Mary Jo Foley. "Microsoft is preparing to revive the traditional Start button it killed with Windows 8. Sources familiar with Microsoft's plans have revealed to The Verge that Windows 8.1 will include the return of the Start button. We understand that the button will act as a method to simply access the Start Screen, and will not include the traditional Start Menu. The button is said to look near-identical to the existing Windows flag used in the Charm bar."
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RE[2]: Even if they do...
by Alfman on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 19:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Even if they do..."
Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

Nelson,

"Their motivation for removing it in the first place was driven purely by customer feedback through CEIP. The Building 8 blog clearly outlined their rationale and backed it up with statistics they've gathered from customers using Windows."

So they say, I sure didn't buy that excuse the first time round...if anything customers were screaming for the choice to set it back ever since the previews came out. The thing that's especially annoying though is that MS could fix all of these issues without causing any fuss for those who actually like the default windows desktop/metro integration as is. Windows 8 would be a better OS for it.

MS are shooting themselves in the foot with customers who don't like metro, but it's clearly a deliberate part of a longer term strategy to phase customers off the desktop and into their metro app store. I wonder how many lost sales they consider acceptable in pursuit of this strategy. If they could maintain their monopoly and convert a majority of consumers to metro apps over time, it would put them in a position to levy fees on billions of dollars from 3rd party software sales.

Edited 2013-04-22 19:42 UTC

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RE[3]: Even if they do...
by Nelson on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 19:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Even if they do..."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

No. It isn't so they say. That's exactly how it is, backed up by figures, charts, and thousand word posts.

You can argue WHY the customers provided feed back and argue that Microsoft's usage interpretation was wrong,but trying to say that the usage isn't legitimate feed back is wrong.

What's even more dubious is the claim that Microsoft is losing a statistically relevant amount of sales over a missing Start Menu. I really don't think Windows 7 would've lifted the PC market more than Windows 8 did, and in fact, without the Surface RT and Surface Pro running Windows 8, Microsoft's revenue would've seen a shortfall the size of the PC market's shortfall.

It didn't because they made up for OEM sales with pure hardware sales of a touch based tablet. In other words, Windows 8 helped save Microsoft from what would've been a disastrous quarter for them.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2013/04/20/microsoft-surface...

The Surface has made Microsoft $200 million dollars alone. The Pro alone contributed 4% of their revenue.

These arent $199 Nexus devices with razor thin margins, they're $1000 ultrabooks with touch screens. That Microsoft sells directly.

Now this might seem like a bit of an aside, but my point in all this is that Microsoft is starting to transition and cater to a new type of user with Windows 8.

Maybe traditional Desktop users wont' like it as much, but there's evidence that its an increasingly shrinking segment -- with ultra portables like the Surface set to see an explosion of growth in that sector.

If Microsoft can do something to grow Surface sales in a semi significant manner, they could start to seriously transition themselves into a Devices and Services company.

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RE[4]: Even if they do...
by Alfman on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 20:05 in reply to "RE[3]: Even if they do..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Nelson,

"No. It isn't so they say. That's exactly how it is, backed up by figures, charts, and thousand word posts."

They were obviously looking for data to show their case rather than looking at what customers wanted. Even if there was a shadow of a doubt in the past, in hindsight it's pretty obvious to everyone else that their research was naive, flawed, even deceptive in suggesting that consumers wanted windows 8 to work how it does.


"It didn't because they made up for OEM sales with pure hardware sales of a touch based tablet. In other words, Windows 8 helped save Microsoft from what would've been a disastrous quarter for them."

Microsoft could still haved shipped metro, the difference would be that consumers wouldn't be bounced into it every time they want to launch an app. By any reasonable account, it would be better to give users a choice. Are you suggesting that NOT giving users a choice saved MS from a more disastrous quarter?


"The Surface has made Microsoft $200 million dollars alone."

Ok, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of the windows 8 desktop.


"Now this might seem like a bit of an aside, but my point in all this is that Microsoft is starting to transition and cater to a new type of user with Windows 8."

It's still not an excuse for removing the configuration options for the old type of user. Making metro optional wouldn't interfere with new users who wanted to use it.


"Maybe traditional Desktop users wont' like it as much, but there's evidence that its an increasingly shrinking segment -- with ultra portables like the Surface set to see an explosion of growth in that sector."

Your acting as though microsoft had no choice but to make windows 8 bounce clumsily between metro and the desktop, but that's silly. It would be so easy to fix, but they don't because they have an ulterior motive that overrides user feedback.


"If Microsoft can do something to grow Surface sales in a semi significant manner, they could start to seriously transition themselves into a Devices and Services company."

I agree that's their goal, but I still think it sucks that they are willing to throw the opinions of so many desktop users into the wind.

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