Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 23rd Apr 2013 22:35 UTC
Apple "Apple just posted its hotly-anticipated Q2 2013 earnings, and the company posted a profit of $9.5b on revenues of $43.6b, compared to $11.6b in profit on $39.2b in revenue this quarter last year and $13.1b in profit on $54.5b in revenue last quarter. That's right in line with the company's guidance from last quarter. Most importantly, iPhone sales are fairly flat year-over-year. Apple sold 37.04 million in Q2 2013 versus last year's 35.1 million, a modest growth of seven percent. iPad sales for the quarter were 19.5 million, up a massive 65 percent from last year's 11.8 million, but the average selling price (ASP) dropped fairly steeply year-over-year, likely due to the introduction of the cheaper iPad mini."
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RE[2]: It's a funny old world
by leos on Wed 24th Apr 2013 20:38 UTC in reply to "RE: It's a funny old world"
leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

"The prolific use of Apple laptops by qualified techies in all industries should point to the fact that the company isn't just about selling dumbed down products.


I beg to differ. OSX is getting dumber with each release. OSX isn't the awesome product of yesteryear. IMHO, Linux has improved to the point where techys don't need OSX to babysit them, and actually is a real hindrance to getting work done. There are a number of people that buy OSX just to put linux on it. I kind of understand that.
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Name one thing that you can't do in OSX now that you could do before. Nothing about OSX has gotten dumber.
Some of the apps on top has been updated, and some iOS features have been integrated, but nothing was taken away. You can still take advantage of the unixy goodness underneath while having an integrated notification center, chatting with iMessage, and getting stuff from the app store.

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RE[3]: It's a funny old world
by MOS6510 on Thu 25th Apr 2013 05:32 in reply to "RE[2]: It's a funny old world"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I believe "dumber" is tech jargon for "easier" and "more user friendly".

It means you don't have to be very smart to use something, even "dumb" people can now too.

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RE[4]: It's a funny old world
by Neolander on Thu 25th Apr 2013 09:31 in reply to "RE[3]: It's a funny old world"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

I believe "dumber" is tech jargon for "easier" and "more user friendly".

It means you don't have to be very smart to use something, even "dumb" people can now too.

I beg to differ. At least when I use the "dumber" word myself, it specifically means "increased newbie usability, at the expense of power user usability".


As an example, if you provide a GUI alternative to a CLI system administration tool, and then stop supporting the CLI tool, I could call your software dumber, because it is easier to discover software features but infinitely to script them out. In this case, you have moved from something that was usable by a group of users and unusable by the rest, to something that is usable by another group of users and unusable by the rest. So in the end, little has been gained.

To the contrary, if you take the time to extract an interface-agnostic backend from your CLI administration tool and build both a CLI and GUI front-ends for it, then you have a net usability gain: new users have it easier, and seasoned users are not left out in the cold. So such software would not deserve the criticism of being dumber, in my opinion, and yet it's easier to use for newbies and power users alike.


Another example would be overuse of animations. If a mail client started to throw windows randomly throughout the screen, it would make life easier for newbies, because they'd have something to distract them from the pain of learning a new OS, but also make life harder for power users, because it would also distract them in the work which they are doing, which becomes the only thing that matters at that level of expertise. So I'd call that dumb.

On the other side, mail software which would give status information more visibility than through a tiny status bar, without resorting to such childish and distracting tricks, would on its side not qualify as dumber as far as I'm concerned. It improves usability for everyone, without discriminating between different levels of user expertise.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

No, not really. It means certain things that made it an exciting playground of technologies is gone. The interface isn't thought of. They aren't continuing to improve using the desktop at all. Its like how people praised the Apple II back when it was released. If you tried marketing a competitor today, well you wouldn't make it far. It was, for a time, the best environment you could have. Now its not, that wasn't meant to be a put down to how it once was, just that it hasn't improved as much as linux and (gasp! ) even windows have.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Ok, maybe dumb was a bit harsh. What annoys me with OS x, is the windowing interface and the state of included utilities. Darwin ports and Fink are pretty bad repositories, they rarely have the tool I'm looking for. It inhibits the way I want to use the computer. Even cygwin on windows is better in many cases. KDE on windows is in better shape, for God's sake! Security updates for Java and flash have scared me off as well. Windows seems to be better on that front, too.

It also kind of ticks me off how they haven't improved things that I really liked, and thus devs have abandoned products. Like dashboard. Why didn't they ever start pushing those as standalone desktop Widgets? They're pretty much dead now. No one really updates the ones I liked.

Are these normal user complaints? I'm guessing not. They're issues that I and others I know have with it.

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