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RE: Re: Re: Comment by kurkosdr
by Alfman on Thu 25th Apr 2013 19:32 UTC in reply to "Re: Re: Comment by kurkosdr"
Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

kurkosdr,

"Theoretically, this is true. Practically, Linux Desktop doesn't care about API stability and backcompat, so, for the average user who doesn't want to do things 'at his own risk' (aka see things getting broken), it has the effect of a walled garden."

The linux kernel has kept userspace backwards compatibility strong for ages. It's remotely possible an API regression occurred here, but it's far more likely that Wemgadge's explanation was the case since he indicates breakages are normal for vmware after OS upgrades. Vmware is very atypical in that it bypasses the *stable* userspace APIs all together. It is completely fair to criticize the lack of linux kernel space API & ABI stability for other reasons. However equating that to a walled garden is very...imaginative ;)

Edit: Look, I have no problem criticizing genuine linux distro breakages, they bother me too, but they all lack the most important attribute needed to call something a walled garden - the walls that block you from installing outside software.

Edited 2013-04-25 19:48 UTC

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kurkosdr Member since:
2011-04-11

It is completely fair to criticize the lack of linux kernel space API & ABI stability for other reasons. However equating that to a walled garden is very...imaginative ;)


Well, the people behind Linux Desktop won't directly tell you "we don't want your proprietary app", they do it in a more subtle way. They will simply make it a PITA for you to ship your proprietary app on Linux. (same for proprietary GPU drivers)

Let's see: Ubuntu has like, 3 major proprietary apps, and during the last couple of releases, Ubuntu broke all 3 of them. VMWare, Steam ( http://tinyurl.com/bpbf6cv ) and Skype ( http://tinyurl.com/b8tnjmv ).

Am I the only one who doesn't get the dream of Linux Desktop? I mean, we are supposed to give up our Windows and OS X boxes, which are binary compatible to apps released in 2006 (to say the least), start using Linux, and confine ourselves to software found in the repos? And anyone who dares to dip it's pinky toe outside the repos will have to do things "at his own risk"?

I will get downvoted for this, but I will say it. There are lots of people in key positions in the Linux Desktop community with a downright hostile sentiment for proprietary software, who consider API and ABI instability a feature. This makes it impossible for proprietary ISVs and IHVs to target Ubuntu. If this hostile sentiment towards proprietary software didn't exist, I can easily imagine Linux Desktop having anywhere from 5% to 15% marketshare.

There are of course bright exceptions to this rule (Linux Torvalds and his insistence on API stability) but they are expections.

Edited 2013-04-26 09:02 UTC

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Wow, can you please tell me an OS where there are no issues with any software when upgrading between releases? Maybe you can also point me to an OS that has no bugs in the initial release?
Because I still haven't found any of those two. Ever.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

kurkosdr,


"Am I the only one who doesn't get the dream of Linux Desktop?"

No, and I've never said it's for everyone. It's up to you to decide for yourself, you are free to use whatever works best for you. There are plenty of reasons people might not want to run linux. For what it's worth, I'm not criticizing your opinion, I'm criticizing your misuse of facts.

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