Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 25th Apr 2013 14:56 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu 13.04 has been released, with the Linux 3.8.8 kernel, a faster and less resource hungry Unity desktop, LibreOffice 4.0, and much more. Ubuntu users will know where to get it, and you're looking for a new installation, have fun. Also fun: UbuntuKylin.
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Wow, one downvote already
by kurkosdr on Fri 26th Apr 2013 09:41 UTC
kurkosdr
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2011-04-11

What the downvoters don't understand is that for most people, a computer is a means, not an end. They buy a computer to run programs on, like they buy a DVD player to watch movies on. They don't just buy Windows or OS X itself (the UI, the kernel etc), [u]they also buy the means to run the awesome apps ISVs have written for Windows or OS X[/u] ("they buy the ecosystem" in marketdroid-speak).
So, there you have Linux Desktop, killing a significant part of it's "ecosystem" by making it hard to impossible for proprietary ISVs to ship software on Ubuntu.

But hey, the people in the key positions in Linux Desktop who made the decision to have an unstable API and ABI weren't planning to use that proprietary software anyway, so it "works for them".

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RE: Wow, one downvote already
by Alfman on Fri 26th Apr 2013 14:42 in reply to "Wow, one downvote already"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

kirkosdr,

"So, there you have Linux Desktop, killing a significant part of it's 'ecosystem' by making it hard to impossible for proprietary ISVs to ship software on Ubuntu."

"hard to impossible"? Seriously?? And what evidence do you have of that? This is isn't the ipad, it's ubuntu. You can install outside software by downloading the appropriate tarball from a webpage, extracting it, and then running it. Maybe the installation process could be improved for software outside the repo, but face it, it's the same as windows. Heck if you have wine installed you can even run a ton of compatible *windows* software too.

appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application


"But hey, the people in the key positions in Linux Desktop who made the decision to have an unstable API and ABI weren't planning to use that proprietary software anyway, so it 'works for them'."

None of this affects usespace apps, which is most often what the "walled garden" refers to.

However even if you wanted to apply it to the kernel, the linux kernel is still more open than windows. Not only is windows source closed, but MS requires developers to buy code certificates to install their own drivers. That policy basically killed the open source scene in windows kernel development since the certificates cannot be shared and all individual would-be contributors need to buy their own certificates to build kernel modules for their own machines.


You are completely exaggerating the difficulty of running proprietary software on linux. If anything, proprietary software doesn't do well on linux because linux users are wary of closed software, not because there's anything preventing users from installing it.

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RE: Wow, one downvote already
by tylerdurden on Fri 26th Apr 2013 17:42 in reply to "Wow, one downvote already"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

It's ironic, because your need to disclose the inconsequential details of your browser on your posts seems to indicate you view your computer as an end.


In any case, there are plenty of commercial software being developed and deployed on Linux. Also you keep using that term "ISV" which does not mean what you want it to mean. Linux has is plenty of traction among ISVs, specially in the middle and back ends of computing infrastructures.

Yes, Photoshop may not support Linux anytime soon (if ever). But then again, none of the commercial EDA packages we use on linux are going to be ported over to OSX either. And neither are some of the commercial databases, accounting/personnel/financial middleware, industrial control suites, etc, which run on Linux and not on OSX (or even Windows). Applying your own logic, that must mean OSX is hostile towards ISVs then?

Edited 2013-04-26 17:45 UTC

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