Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Apr 2013 21:14 UTC
Mac OS X "OS X 10.9, which is internally codenamed 'Cabernet', will focus on various 'power-user' enhancements and take core features from iOS, according to our sources. Unlike operating system updates such as OS X Leopard and OS X Lion, OS X 10.9 will likely not be an overhauled approach to how the operating system feels and functions." Features for power users and features from iOS? Seems like an oxymoron. Still, if they manage to finally fix the Finder and Spaces, I'll be happy.
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Comment by marcp
by marcp on Mon 29th Apr 2013 22:25 UTC
marcp
Member since:
2007-11-23

And what precisely makes OSX user a power user, if I may ask?
Ability to drag icons around? or maybe deep knowledge of the few simple keyboard shortcuts? tools?
I don't want to diminish people's ability to have in-depth knowledge about computers. But let's be honest here - most OSX/iOS users are clueless. And that's how it should be. OSX/iOS should be simple and dumbed down, so even the most clueless users have their way through it when they need to accomplish important task on time.

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RE: Comment by marcp
by darknexus on Mon 29th Apr 2013 22:31 in reply to "Comment by marcp"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Your attitude, sir, is precisely why so many people get turned away from free software. Get off your high horse and drop your superiority complex if you ever hope to increase the number of users on your preferred platform (I asume it's Linux given your past comments here).

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by toast88 on Tue 30th Apr 2013 04:51 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
toast88 Member since:
2009-09-23

Your attitude, sir, is precisely why so many people get turned away from free software.


How is his stupid rant even remotely related to free software, he didn't mentioned it at all. Don't throw everyone into the category just because someone has an arrogant attitude.

He/she might be a flamboyant Windows user, who knows.

Adrian

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RE: Comment by marcp
by galvanash on Tue 30th Apr 2013 00:05 in reply to "Comment by marcp"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

And what precisely makes OSX user a power user, if I may ask?


I don't know... Maybe they are programmers? Website Developers? People who spend 90% of their time in a terminal and like it, but want the UI to be a bit more configurable? You know, the same exact kind of people who use Linux for the most part...

I have used Linux, OpenBSD, Windows, and OSX for extended periods in actual day to day use over the years. I now spend almost 100% of my time in OSX. I actually prefer it over Gnome or KDE, mostly because the higher quality apps but as "odd" as Finder is there is still plenty there for a power user. It just needs some tweaking.

And that's how it should be. OSX/iOS should be simple and dumbed down, so even the most clueless users have their way through it when they need to accomplish important task on time.


I have to say the only thing I can think after reading this is you have never actually used OSX... iOS maybe, but not OSX. There is a hell of a lot of serious functionality in OSX... Sure, Apple has added some fluff for the iOS crowd (Mission Control???) but overall it is a very deep and sophisticated desktop - far more configurable than Windows and at least on par with Gnome/KDE, but you find yourself having to resort to the terminal far less than with Linux (AppleScript is funky but it works).

Its not perfect by any stretch, but it isn't nearly as bad as you make it sound... Regardless, there is substantial portion of the OSX user base that is not clueless and uses it like the Unix it actually is...

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by galvanash on Tue 30th Apr 2013 00:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Just noticed... I said Mission Control - I meant Launch Pad. Mission Control can actually be useful.

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Tue 30th Apr 2013 07:50 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

Thanks for the explanation. That may be actually true.

However, I didn't really talk about third-party tools that people use. These may make them power users, most certainly. But the base OS? is it really that hard to understand ins and outs of iOS/OSX?

I mean, come on ... the point I made was the exact the point Apple Developers and spokes persons make all the time - they just sugarcoat it by saying that it's all about simplicity. I added, that this simplicity is mostly for the **good** of the "clueless" [that means: "not computer person"] users.

You know, it's funny how people like to bash everyone who happens to have some other opinion [even if the intentions were actually good].
Nobody's trying to convince anyone that OS X is better/worse than OS Y. We were just talking about difficultiveness/intuitiveness of the system. At least that's what I though, right before some people decided to come up with my alleged "bad past" [not mentioning the fact that I have no "bad past". I'm just a man who comments on some topics from time to time, just like all of you. And yes, I am standing strong for software freedom, just like you don't care about it that much, standing strong for other things].

People ... *sigh*

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by lucas_maximus on Tue 30th Apr 2013 12:19 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

TBH a lot of people I know that like unix use a Mac because it is the best desktop *nix in their opinion.

I used to like using my Mac when I was at university for Java and the big of PHP that I required to do by assignments. Though I added some good opensource/freeware to extend or replace some of the built in programs.

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RE: Comment by marcp
by Soulbender on Tue 30th Apr 2013 02:07 in reply to "Comment by marcp"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

And what precisely makes OSX user a power user, if I may ask?


Same things that makes Windows or Linux power users: the inability to understand their own lack of knowledge, thinking they're God's gift to personal computing. And they have the wildly inaccurate forum posts to back it up.

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by ThomasFuhringer on Tue 30th Apr 2013 07:53 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
ThomasFuhringer Member since:
2007-01-25

I beg to differ. Things are not as simple.
You have people who use their computer more or less only for web browsing, e-mail, facebook and Skype. They are the vast majority and definitely not 'power users'.
And then you have those that do some heavy duty productive work. It is in many cases rather complex, involves juggling different file formats, having multiple files open at the same time in different windows etc. These have been left mostly in the cold in recent years by a new generation of software designers at the big vendors who were focused on winning the race on 'mobile' and 'social'.

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RE: Comment by marcp
by sirspudd on Wed 1st May 2013 00:36 in reply to "Comment by marcp"
sirspudd Member since:
2010-10-13

I know tons of people who have fled from Linux to Mac OSX.

People who favour display qualify, battery life and multitouch. App bundles also aren't overly disagreeable.

Some people want to get _work_ done, some people want use a system which requires a major investment of their time in and of its self.

ChromeOS, in the context of the Pixel, actually hits all these points and Crouton makes it a proper distribution.

And dude, you better not be an Ubuntu user or the irony will surely strike me dead.

ex-1337 Arch user/Gentoo Ricer

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