Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Apr 2013 21:14 UTC
Mac OS X "OS X 10.9, which is internally codenamed 'Cabernet', will focus on various 'power-user' enhancements and take core features from iOS, according to our sources. Unlike operating system updates such as OS X Leopard and OS X Lion, OS X 10.9 will likely not be an overhauled approach to how the operating system feels and functions." Features for power users and features from iOS? Seems like an oxymoron. Still, if they manage to finally fix the Finder and Spaces, I'll be happy.
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RE: Comment by marcp
by galvanash on Tue 30th Apr 2013 00:05 UTC in reply to "Comment by marcp"
galvanash
Member since:
2006-01-25

And what precisely makes OSX user a power user, if I may ask?


I don't know... Maybe they are programmers? Website Developers? People who spend 90% of their time in a terminal and like it, but want the UI to be a bit more configurable? You know, the same exact kind of people who use Linux for the most part...

I have used Linux, OpenBSD, Windows, and OSX for extended periods in actual day to day use over the years. I now spend almost 100% of my time in OSX. I actually prefer it over Gnome or KDE, mostly because the higher quality apps but as "odd" as Finder is there is still plenty there for a power user. It just needs some tweaking.

And that's how it should be. OSX/iOS should be simple and dumbed down, so even the most clueless users have their way through it when they need to accomplish important task on time.


I have to say the only thing I can think after reading this is you have never actually used OSX... iOS maybe, but not OSX. There is a hell of a lot of serious functionality in OSX... Sure, Apple has added some fluff for the iOS crowd (Mission Control???) but overall it is a very deep and sophisticated desktop - far more configurable than Windows and at least on par with Gnome/KDE, but you find yourself having to resort to the terminal far less than with Linux (AppleScript is funky but it works).

Its not perfect by any stretch, but it isn't nearly as bad as you make it sound... Regardless, there is substantial portion of the OSX user base that is not clueless and uses it like the Unix it actually is...

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by galvanash on Tue 30th Apr 2013 00:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Just noticed... I said Mission Control - I meant Launch Pad. Mission Control can actually be useful.

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Tue 30th Apr 2013 07:50 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

Thanks for the explanation. That may be actually true.

However, I didn't really talk about third-party tools that people use. These may make them power users, most certainly. But the base OS? is it really that hard to understand ins and outs of iOS/OSX?

I mean, come on ... the point I made was the exact the point Apple Developers and spokes persons make all the time - they just sugarcoat it by saying that it's all about simplicity. I added, that this simplicity is mostly for the **good** of the "clueless" [that means: "not computer person"] users.

You know, it's funny how people like to bash everyone who happens to have some other opinion [even if the intentions were actually good].
Nobody's trying to convince anyone that OS X is better/worse than OS Y. We were just talking about difficultiveness/intuitiveness of the system. At least that's what I though, right before some people decided to come up with my alleged "bad past" [not mentioning the fact that I have no "bad past". I'm just a man who comments on some topics from time to time, just like all of you. And yes, I am standing strong for software freedom, just like you don't care about it that much, standing strong for other things].

People ... *sigh*

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by Shane on Tue 30th Apr 2013 10:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
Shane Member since:
2005-07-06

Here's what you've been saying:

1) You believe that OS X is simple to use
2) Therefore people who use it must like it because of the ease of use
3) Because they can't handle complexity
4) Therefore they must be dumb

This is what people are trying to point out to you:

1) People choose to use an OS because they like it.

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by galvanash on Tue 30th Apr 2013 17:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

However, I didn't really talk about third-party tools that people use. These may make them power users, most certainly. But the base OS? is it really that hard to understand ins and outs of iOS/OSX?


Actually yes... Im not talking about 3rd party tools... Im talking about just the base OS and Finder. OSX is just as complex as Linux or any other OS, if not more so. Once you drop to a terminal its Unix - almost everything you expect to find is there, and a lot of the lower level configuration is done through the command line - just like Linux. Finder is extremely configurable, but a lot of the knobs and dials are buried in options that must be configured from the terminal - again, just like Linux.

The UI does go to great lengths to hide a lot of that complexity and make it simple, and I appreciate that - but it doesn't eliminate it. It just hides it because you seldom need it. Im a developer and frankly I don't feel like I am being robbed of much flexibility or power by Finder - it is actually pretty damn functional. It strikes a pretty good balance, it just needs some tweaks here and there.

Just saying I don't see why the "for the sake of the clueless user" argument applies to OSX any more than it would to any other OS. There is nothing magical or overly simplistic about it (regardless of what Jobs lead people to believe) - it is a Unix with a very nicely thought out GUI.

A lot of work went into making it simple without making it dumb. It shows.

You know, it's funny how people like to bash everyone who happens to have some other opinion [even if the intentions were actually good].


I really wasn't trying to bash you - I was just replying to what you posted...

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by lucas_maximus on Tue 30th Apr 2013 12:19 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

TBH a lot of people I know that like unix use a Mac because it is the best desktop *nix in their opinion.

I used to like using my Mac when I was at university for Java and the big of PHP that I required to do by assignments. Though I added some good opensource/freeware to extend or replace some of the built in programs.

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