Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Apr 2013 21:14 UTC
Mac OS X "OS X 10.9, which is internally codenamed 'Cabernet', will focus on various 'power-user' enhancements and take core features from iOS, according to our sources. Unlike operating system updates such as OS X Leopard and OS X Lion, OS X 10.9 will likely not be an overhauled approach to how the operating system feels and functions." Features for power users and features from iOS? Seems like an oxymoron. Still, if they manage to finally fix the Finder and Spaces, I'll be happy.
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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Tue 30th Apr 2013 07:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
marcp
Member since:
2007-11-23

Thanks for the explanation. That may be actually true.

However, I didn't really talk about third-party tools that people use. These may make them power users, most certainly. But the base OS? is it really that hard to understand ins and outs of iOS/OSX?

I mean, come on ... the point I made was the exact the point Apple Developers and spokes persons make all the time - they just sugarcoat it by saying that it's all about simplicity. I added, that this simplicity is mostly for the **good** of the "clueless" [that means: "not computer person"] users.

You know, it's funny how people like to bash everyone who happens to have some other opinion [even if the intentions were actually good].
Nobody's trying to convince anyone that OS X is better/worse than OS Y. We were just talking about difficultiveness/intuitiveness of the system. At least that's what I though, right before some people decided to come up with my alleged "bad past" [not mentioning the fact that I have no "bad past". I'm just a man who comments on some topics from time to time, just like all of you. And yes, I am standing strong for software freedom, just like you don't care about it that much, standing strong for other things].

People ... *sigh*

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by Shane on Tue 30th Apr 2013 10:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
Shane Member since:
2005-07-06

Here's what you've been saying:

1) You believe that OS X is simple to use
2) Therefore people who use it must like it because of the ease of use
3) Because they can't handle complexity
4) Therefore they must be dumb

This is what people are trying to point out to you:

1) People choose to use an OS because they like it.

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RE[4]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Tue 30th Apr 2013 13:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by marcp"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

Where on earth did you get an idea of the end user being incompetent? [in my own post]
I didn't say that. Maybe you guys think that's the case. However, I cannot be held responsible for the things people think and perceive, even [or especially] when their perceiption is "bad" [that is: different from my actual intention].
D'oh, I even made it clear that I don't think people are incompetent:

I don't want to diminish people's ability to have in-depth knowledge about computers.


I just pointed out obvious reasons for which OSX is being perceived [and designed] as an easy-to-use OS. I actually think it's a great thing, you know. OS should be easy to use.

So, I refuse to take a blame here. I didn't do anything inappropiate and I'm not the person you think I am. That said, I don't care about your false impressions and opinions. You can continue judging people on these flawed criteria, but that's your problem, not mine.

Have a productive day.

BTW voting people down only shows how easy it is to manipulate on individual opinions. One person votes it down - others follow blindly without giving it a second thought - **independently**. Well done. You showed your individuality and critical thinking.
Voting systems like this one shows dark side of human nature - "burn the witch". And believe it or not, but not all people care about voting results.

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RE[4]: Comment by marcp
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 30th Apr 2013 13:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by marcp"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14


This is what people are trying to point out to you:

1) People choose to use an OS because they like it [more than they hate it].


There are very few ordinary people who don't have some complaints about their setup. Its one of the reasons why Thoms' advise to constantly change Operating systems is great. You find somethings that are good in some places, and somethings that are bad.

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by galvanash on Tue 30th Apr 2013 17:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

However, I didn't really talk about third-party tools that people use. These may make them power users, most certainly. But the base OS? is it really that hard to understand ins and outs of iOS/OSX?


Actually yes... Im not talking about 3rd party tools... Im talking about just the base OS and Finder. OSX is just as complex as Linux or any other OS, if not more so. Once you drop to a terminal its Unix - almost everything you expect to find is there, and a lot of the lower level configuration is done through the command line - just like Linux. Finder is extremely configurable, but a lot of the knobs and dials are buried in options that must be configured from the terminal - again, just like Linux.

The UI does go to great lengths to hide a lot of that complexity and make it simple, and I appreciate that - but it doesn't eliminate it. It just hides it because you seldom need it. Im a developer and frankly I don't feel like I am being robbed of much flexibility or power by Finder - it is actually pretty damn functional. It strikes a pretty good balance, it just needs some tweaks here and there.

Just saying I don't see why the "for the sake of the clueless user" argument applies to OSX any more than it would to any other OS. There is nothing magical or overly simplistic about it (regardless of what Jobs lead people to believe) - it is a Unix with a very nicely thought out GUI.

A lot of work went into making it simple without making it dumb. It shows.

You know, it's funny how people like to bash everyone who happens to have some other opinion [even if the intentions were actually good].


I really wasn't trying to bash you - I was just replying to what you posted...

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