Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Apr 2013 21:14 UTC
Mac OS X "OS X 10.9, which is internally codenamed 'Cabernet', will focus on various 'power-user' enhancements and take core features from iOS, according to our sources. Unlike operating system updates such as OS X Leopard and OS X Lion, OS X 10.9 will likely not be an overhauled approach to how the operating system feels and functions." Features for power users and features from iOS? Seems like an oxymoron. Still, if they manage to finally fix the Finder and Spaces, I'll be happy.
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RE[5]: OpenGL & filesystem
by henderson101 on Wed 1st May 2013 09:15 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: OpenGL & filesystem"
henderson101
Member since:
2006-05-30

Well, that's a pretty vague retort, if you don't mind me saying. What is it you expect is should be doing that it doesn't?

It journals, it has case sensitivity, it stores metadata (has the notion of forks), includes ACL's and UNIX permissions. It does tick a lot of boxes. Spotlight was also developed by a team containing Dominic Giampaolo, who was part of the engineering team that created the BFS for BeOS. Fairly sure he still works for Apple in the Filesystems division also.

But you obviously believe something is missing, and I'm genuinely intrigued as to what that is?

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RE[6]: OpenGL & filesystem
by tylerdurden on Wed 1st May 2013 16:55 in reply to "RE[5]: OpenGL & filesystem"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

It's the XXI century, support for case sensitivity has been a given for 2 to 3 decades. And yet, it is an after thought in HFS+'s implementation, to the point that some applications still can't function on a case sensitive HFS+ volume in 2013. That is sad. Even sadder that Apple still touts "case sensitivity" as a major feature for their "most advanced OS on earth."

For a more detailed take on the issue, I will refer to Syracusa's review on ars technica:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/12/#hfs-problems



There is a reason why the Xserves and OSX as a server were laughed out of the marketplace.

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RE[7]: OpenGL & filesystem
by jared_wilkes on Wed 1st May 2013 23:25 in reply to "RE[6]: OpenGL & filesystem"
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2011-04-25

Calling case sensitivity an after thought for Apple is unfair. Apple specifically pursued a system that was, wisely for their audience, case-insensitive. Apple specifically pursued supporting a system that preserved that case insensitivity while supporting case-insensitive file systems. The Backward compatibility of HFS(+) to support 30 years of Mac-formatted drives is something they usually get criticized for not doing.

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RE[7]: OpenGL & filesystem
by henderson101 on Thu 2nd May 2013 11:31 in reply to "RE[6]: OpenGL & filesystem"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

It's the XXI century, support for case sensitivity has been a given for 2 to 3 decades.


Um.. its default. Case insensitivity actually *requires* extra work because the underlying UTF8 (ASCII, or however you encode the characterset) uses a completely different and unrelated value to represent upper and lower case letters, for both Latin and certa)in non-Latin alphabets (greek and cyrilic come to mind.

And yet, it is an after thought in HFS+'s implementation,


I think that's a bit unfair. As someone else commented, it's actually backwardly compatible with the original floppy format - just like DOS FAT (also case insensitive in it's original format, and much more limited in actual file naming.)

to the point that some applications still can't function on a case sensitive HFS+ volume in 2013. That is sad. Even sadder that Apple still touts "case sensitivity" as a major feature for their "most advanced OS on earth."


That is down to the programmers. It's nothing to do with Apple. If the coders assumed something that wasn't true and failed to test their software correctly, why should that be Apples fault? I've only ever had three instances of this being an issue:

(1) Printer driver for an obscure Advent network printer (exchanged it for an Epson and that still works flawlessly.)
(2) Adobe Creative Suite (not sure which version, possibly last but one)
(3) Autodesk Sketchbook (app store) which they fixed fairly rapidly.

Of these, only Adobe was unsolvable - and that was only a demo anyway.

For a more detailed take on the issue, I will refer to Syracusa's review on ars technica:


Siracusa is extremely anal and likes things "just so". I listened to his podcast "Hypercritical" religiously, and still listen to the "Accidental Tech Podcast" which he contributes to. He knows his stuff, but he always takes the absolute extreme point of view. He's not a good candidate for a full rounded discussion of HFS+ really.

Having said that, he's spot on about some of the things he mentions, but I'm going to be honest and say some are just petty or pointless. A lot of what he is asking for is server class functionality that not even Windows clients implement.

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