Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 4th May 2013 09:36 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems "NeXT Computer (the original 68030 cube) was a high end workstation that was manufactured between 1988 - 1990. Back then it was a very expensive machine as a complete system would start at $6500 (in 1988 dollars). The machine is a 1 foot cube magnesium case that houses the computer. At the time, its performance was impressive, with a Motorola 68030 CPU running at a screaming 25Mhz, a dedicated floating point CPU, and a digital signal processor built into the system. NeXT cubes featured a magneto-optical drive that stored a whopping 256 Megabytes (by comparison, high end Mac systems at the time might have featured a 20 Megabyte hard drive.) In its day, this was the "Ferrari" of desktop systems!" No new information for the average OSNews reader, but lots of beautiful photos for a beautiful Saturday afternoon.
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RE: I miss NeXTstep
by Chris_G on Sat 4th May 2013 13:55 UTC in reply to "I miss NeXTstep"
Chris_G
Member since:
2012-10-25

Why does every thread have to descend into "why I hate Windows 8?" I don't like it, which is why I don't use it. But that's just me. You don't like it either? Don't use it.

This is really starting to get old.

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RE[2]: I miss NeXTstep
by GraphiteCube on Sat 4th May 2013 14:22 in reply to "RE: I miss NeXTstep"
GraphiteCube Member since:
2009-04-01

Why does every thread have to descend into "why I hate Windows 8?" I don't like it, which is why I don't use it. But that's just me. You don't like it either? Don't use it.

This is really starting to get old.

Somebodies just want flame-wars everywhere.

They don't pay for it.
They don't use it.
They aren't affected by it.

They still have their own freedom to choose what they want.

But they still yelling at it and try to restrict the others' freedom to pay for it/ use it. (Of course, they can't do it physically, so they do it verbally, spreading wrong/ outdated information.)

Don't like it? Yeah, then don't talk about it and ignore it as if it doesn't exist.

I think this kind of culture becomes popular since Apple's "PC vs Mac" advertisements. I think this just spreads hate everywhere and brings negative impact on people mind.

Yes it is off-topic but those flame-wars are polluting the discussion environment.

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RE[3]: I miss NeXTstep
by moondevil on Sat 4th May 2013 16:58 in reply to "RE[2]: I miss NeXTstep"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I think this kind of culture becomes popular since Apple's "PC vs Mac" advertisements. I think this just spreads hate everywhere and brings negative impact on people mind.


Nah, it was just like that since the begining of home computing.

ZX Spectrum vs C64 vs Apple II vs Sam Coupé vs ....

Nintendo vs Atari vs Sega vs ...

Atari ST vs Amiga vs PC vs Mac vs ...

People seem to want to be assured they are on the right side.

Nowadays I don't care any longer as long as I can do my work.

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RE[3]: I miss NeXTstep
by cmost on Sat 4th May 2013 17:46 in reply to "RE[2]: I miss NeXTstep"
cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

Somebodies just want flame-wars everywhere.

They don't pay for it.
They don't use it.
They aren't affected by it.

They still have their own freedom to choose what they want....


I've been exclusively a Linux user for over ten years now and switched because of Microsoft's corporate policies and anti-competitive practices. Don't try to say with a straight face that Windows 8 doesn't affect those who don't use nor want it.

All new PC shipping with Windows 8 have UEFI and secureboot enabled by default. Different providers locate the secure boot kill-switch, if there is one, in different places and under different names in the scarily complex and dangerous UEFI control panel. Disabling secureboot cannot be done from within the operating system. Some OEM's try to obscure the killswitch so that some users can't find it. For example, on ASUS laptops it is not called 'Secure Boot' at all, but 'Legacy Mode', giving the impression that you are using something outdated and insecure. This arduous process makes it either difficult (or impossible in some cases) to install another OS. Those alternative OSs that have managed to install on these systems do so with custom bootloaders and either self-made or other special keys signed by Microsoft. How Microsoft got away with this from a legal standpoint is ridiculous.

Thankfully I can build my own systems so I can choose fully featured motherboards and avoid the hassle of secureboot myself. Unfortunately recent Linux converts, perhaps those who are trying to escape Windows 8, may not have the skills to bypass secureboot or the machine might be hindered in such a way that it can't be turned off at all. This is how Windows 8 is affecting people who otherwise wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole and this is why those people lash out and bash Windows 8 every single chance they get!

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RE[3]: I miss NeXTstep
by UltraZelda64 on Sat 4th May 2013 20:00 in reply to "RE[2]: I miss NeXTstep"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Somebodies just want flame-wars everywhere.

They don't pay for it.
They don't use it.
They aren't affected by it.

You mean those people who need to buy a new computer and their only choice is Windows 8 are somehow not paying for it? How the hell did you come to that conclusion? I would say that at least a part of them--their bank account--was unnecessarily affected by it.

They still have their own freedom to choose what they want.

Unfortunately after the fact, in most cases.

But they still yelling at it and try to restrict the others' freedom to pay for it/ use it. (Of course, they can't do it physically, so they do it verbally, spreading wrong/ outdated information.)

It honestly sounds like you're talking about Microsoft and Secure Boot there... only they *can* and *are* attempting to lock other operating systems out physically (or virtually), not verbally.

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RE[2]: I miss NeXTstep
by tomchr on Sat 4th May 2013 14:52 in reply to "RE: I miss NeXTstep"
tomchr Member since:
2009-02-01

Well, people tend to reflect on disappointments in the light of better accomplishments...and NeXTstep was/is a huge milestone.

Critizing something isn't descending into hatred. Badly made products should be subjected to critique - often and repeatedly - until they are improved or replaced.

It is not simply a question of "using" or "not using" a product, you ignorant fcuk. It is a comment on the lack of GUI progress the past 20 years.

If you do not like reading opinionated comments, well then stop reading them!

That being said, I am really and truly tired of people using the phrase "This is starting to get old".

Edited 2013-05-04 15:12 UTC

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RE[3]: I miss NeXTstep
by M.Onty on Sat 4th May 2013 15:10 in reply to "RE[2]: I miss NeXTstep"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23


That being said, I am really and truly tired of people using the phrase "This is starting to get old".


"This is starting to get old" is really & truly starting to get old.

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RE[3]: I miss NeXTstep
by Chris_G on Sat 4th May 2013 15:54 in reply to "RE[2]: I miss NeXTstep"
Chris_G Member since:
2012-10-25

Progress is a matter of opinion. I for one, adore GNOME 3. I suspect you see that as a step in the wrong direction. I'm also quite fond of the recent trend toward tiling window managers. That's my opinion. One could, in principle, engage in civil discourse. Disagreeing with you does not make one an 'ignorant fcuk.' I know it's the Internet, but that's a poor excuse for abandoning respect and cool-headedness.

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RE[3]: I miss NeXTstep
by GraphiteCube on Sat 4th May 2013 19:01 in reply to "RE[2]: I miss NeXTstep"
GraphiteCube Member since:
2009-04-01

Your poor manner shows why those "PC vs Mac" advertisements have negative impact on people. If you disagree with me, show us your points, instead of swear at me.

Whether GUI itself has improved in last 20 years or not, I don't know, but I think we can't limit GUI design for mouse + keyboard only as nowadays more touch-based and motion-based input are being used.

Sure that user can use Flubox/ GNOME/ KDE/ IceWM with mouse + keyboard perfectly, but how about touch-based input? I think the start screen and Windows Store apps are just trying to serve users who are using touch-based input, BUT at the same time the desktop remains here. Just click into the desktop in Windows 8 and I can still use my keyboard and mouse to do my work, it is not hard.

I don't understand why people only focus on and restrict themselves in the start screen. Consider that start screen is a larger start menu, do you open start menu and make it stay on screen all the time? I don't do it because I just open start menu, type program name, press Enter and work with the program, the start menu is hidden. This is the same for start screen.

Some say that they're force to look at the start screen every time they switch on the computer, but ask yourself: What do you do when you see the desktop at first? I for myself would open start menu and launch a program. Here is the point: I can pin the program on start screen, and click on it right after login without looking at my desktop.

Yeah there is a learning curve, but so do for people switching among OSes. They need to find the tools they used to use on previous OS, they need to adapt to the look and feel.

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