Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th May 2013 22:46 UTC
Windows "After acknowledging its Windows Blue codename publicly in March, Microsoft is getting closer to revealing all about the upcoming Windows 8 update. In an interview with The Verge this week, Microsoft's Windows CFO Tami Reller provided some details on where the company is heading with its Blue project."
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by jared_wilkes on Thu 9th May 2013 18:24 UTC in reply to "RE[13]: ..."
jared_wilkes
Member since:
2011-04-25

I don't know why you keep responding as if I'm an idiot. I'm talking about average users. I've seen this occur on literally 100% of new Windows 8 purchases. People don't know how to shut the computer down, get frustrated, hunt around for several minutes, and on and on... some people are smart enough to then consult me or other knowledgeable people or google it, sometimes they then forget it and need to do it again... It is absurd that shutting down a computer is not an obvious thing in an easy to find location. That your response is to search Google for it is insane; we are talking about Shut Down. That you keep responding to me as if I don't know 4 ways to shut the computer is pointless; I know -- I'm talking about average and even the majority of power users using 8 for the first number of times.


You can nerd it out all day, respond to me 50 times if you like... I see users immediately getting frustrated and disgusted by 8 on a daily basis. Recommending that they hunt around looking for an answer to a question that was answered for them previously and shouldn't need to be asked is not an answer.

Edited 2013-05-09 18:32 UTC

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by WorknMan on Thu 9th May 2013 19:32 in reply to "RE[14]: ..."
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Right, I understand, and I'm not talking to average users here. Average users aren't the ones on sites like this, crying like titty babies because Windows 8 is too hard to use, and demanding that the Start menu be brought back.

As I said before, it's nothing but irrational hate. Anybody knowledgeable enough about tech in general to be reading sites like this and bitching about something being too hard to discover, where the solution is just a Google search away, should be dragged into the deep end of a forest and disemboweled with a wooden cooking spoon.

As for average users, trust me... I've seen them try and operate prior versions of Windows, and it really ain't much better. Clueless users are going to be clueless... I don't care if you put a fucking etch-a-sketch in front of them. Of course, that doesn't excuse the fact that the shutdown option is as hard to find as it is in Win8, and I'm guessing they'll fix it in the next release. It's not a justification for bringing the start menu back.

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by jared_wilkes on Thu 9th May 2013 19:33 in reply to "RE[15]: ..."
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

If average users don't know how to shut off a computer, I don't see how this is irrational hate. It's a massive stepback and a clusterfuck of a product.

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by Alfman on Thu 9th May 2013 20:59 in reply to "RE[15]: ..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

WorknMan,


"Average users aren't the ones on sites like this, crying like titty babies because Windows 8 is too hard to use, and demanding that the Start menu be brought back."

Well, many people did learn and still don't like it. At least third parties like stardock might be able to fill the gap and provide the features MS is withholding until MS blocks it (http://www.stardock.com/products/modernmix/features.asp), but that doesn't change my opinion that the metro-desktop integration feels like a hack.


"As I said before, it's nothing but irrational hate."

Whether we are savvy or not, it's only an opinion, it's neither wrong nor irrational. We cannot assume that every person of rational state of mind has to come to the same conclusions about metro. Metro has it's place, but in my opinion the design was compromised by microsoft's agenda. IMHO both metro and the desktop could have been better products if they were separate and not trying to pretend that the former is a good substitute for the later.

Edit: Sorry if this is a tad misdirected, I know you were talking more about discover-ability, than overall integration issues.

Edited 2013-05-09 21:02 UTC

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