Linked by Eugenia Loli-Queru on Fri 4th Nov 2005 23:45 UTC
FreeBSD The clocks have fallen back, the leaves are hitting the ground and new BSD releases are on the Net. Among all the noise and buzz created by Linux, it's important to remember that it's not the only open source variant of Unix. OpenBSD, NetBSD and FreeBSD are all still very much alive and kicking and have recently been released from their respective projects.
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RE: Stop ARGUING
by ma_d on Sat 5th Nov 2005 02:53 UTC in reply to "Stop ARGUING"
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Theo is hardly an idiot. He runs his mouth off occasionally, but he's a very intelligent and TMK competent developer.
He really shouldn't get called an idiot for what he says... If you wanna call him a name, call him a jerk or something.

I see this all the time. I honestly think it's a superiority complex. It's one of the things that has kept me happy with Linux: I don't see the superiority complex as often as I do in BSD channels (by channel, I mean irc channel).

I get sick of the bickering as well. It's pretty pointless. I have yet to see an OS I'd call dramatically superior to the rest...
Just to give a list:
1.) FBSD: Ports is pathetic. I've wasted more time trying to fix Ports upgrading deps and not moving up the tree.... But their kernel build method, that's a work of art... Seriously, Linux' method isn't nearly so friendly. And their documentation is astounding...
2.) Gentoo: Too much work for one or two servers.
3.) ArchLinux: Pacman can't handle situations like filled hard disks (I actually ruined an install by running out of disk space during an update once).
4.) Ubuntu: Broken libpng in, I think, warty or hoary. Generically slow, maybe it's the 386 code? Seriously guys, who has a 386... (Debian, that goes for you too)
5.) Suse: Seriously slow... There's got to be something wrong with Yast, there just has to be.
6.) WinXP Pro: Slows over time.
7.) OS X: Lack of free vnc/rdp. (I know how much Mac remote desktop costs, it's ridiculous)
8.) RHEL4: Gtk 2.4, come on!
9.) NetBSD: Broken installer.

I'm sure I could list more, but I'm totally blanking on OS's I've used... Well, ones that are worth listing; I don't think anyone is going to argue with me on the status of Windows ME ;) .

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RE[2]: Stop ARGUING
by Wrawrat on Sat 5th Nov 2005 03:27 in reply to "RE: Stop ARGUING"
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2005-06-30

Actually, Ubuntu and Debian packages are compiled for i486. To my knowledge, Debian can run on i386 because their kernel got emulation for three specific i486 instructions (bswap, xadd and cmpxchg).

Then perhaps it's the i486 code? Could be, but many Slackware users are satisfied by the speed of their distro... which was compiled for i486.

Frankly, it could only be a matter of under/over-optimisation. Debian and Ubuntu got a AMD64 version but I didn't got words on their performance (or their lack of).

Back on the BSDs, did they fixed the installer for NetBSD 2.1/3.0? I have installed FreeBSD 5.4 on my router because of that. I've got some weird "floating point exception" with the one from 2.02...

Corrected some typo.

Edited 2005-11-05 03:28

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RE[2]: Stop ARGUING
by Andrew Youll on Sat 5th Nov 2005 09:47 in reply to "RE: Stop ARGUING"
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2005-06-29

On OSX i use OSXVNC (Server) and ChickenVNC (Client) for my VNC needs both are free, ChickenVNC is available via SourceForge, and OSXVNC i can't recall where I downloaded that from.

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RE[3]: Stop ARGUING
by on Sat 5th Nov 2005 16:43 in reply to "RE: Stop ARGUING"
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FreeBSD ports collection is awesome. Cvsup/portupgrade in 30 min, depending on bandwidth, your packages are update (along with dependents). I frequently ssh to my server and show off the ports collection to some of my Ubuntu buddies. They are always impressed.

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RE[2]: Stop ARGUING
by on Sun 6th Nov 2005 10:56 in reply to "RE: Stop ARGUING"
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>> 7.) OS X: Lack of free vnc/rdp. (I know how much Mac remote desktop costs, it's ridiculous)

System Preferences => Sharing =>Click Apple Remote Desktop => Click "VNC viewers may control screen with password:"

An VNC viewer (i.e. client) you have to download yourself, Chicken of VNC is an excellent one, as stated before.

As for RDP, Microsoft provides with an RDP client.

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