Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th May 2013 22:46 UTC
Windows "After acknowledging its Windows Blue codename publicly in March, Microsoft is getting closer to revealing all about the upcoming Windows 8 update. In an interview with The Verge this week, Microsoft's Windows CFO Tami Reller provided some details on where the company is heading with its Blue project."
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by jared_wilkes on Fri 10th May 2013 14:38 UTC in reply to "RE[19]: ..."
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So it's not about, and never has been about, bringing the start menu back. It's more about that you want Metro gone entirely, or else you want desktop/metro integration to make more sense. In that case, why not say so?

Do I think Windows 8 is fundamentally, horribly flawed? Yes. I think Microsoft has made innumerable horrible UI/UX decisions over the entire history of their business and products.

Do I still think that bringing back a persistent, always-visible, always-accessible, not-obscured-by-hot-corner-targeting-or-some-other gesture button/target that every Windows user is already familiar with and provides access to frequent apps, the web, email, windows updates, control panels and/or other settings, search, and power state settings without obscuring the desktop or open apps or jumping to an entirely different screen or UI is a good idea that will at least mitigate some of the most braindead problems without altering Windows 8 in any significant manner? Absolutely.

If the start menu comes back but metro is still there (along with the charms bar), have you really accomplished anything?

Yes. It certainly wouldn't be getting worse or be completely pointless.

Probably not anything that a start menu replacement can't already do in Windows 8.

You keep saying this. You seem to acknowledge that a start menu replacement is necessary. Don't you think it's absolutely ridiculous that Microsoft isn't providing this themselves? That users are expected to know their are alternatives, evaluate each of the alternatives, download an appropriate alternative (while avoiding add-on software and/or malware) just to be able to shut off their computer in a comprehendible, familiar manner or to be able to open an app without jumping back and forth between two completely different UIs? What harm would it do (other than to Microsoft's reputation for backtracking on bad decisions -- which they've done innumerable times anyway)?

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by WorknMan on Fri 10th May 2013 23:27 in reply to "RE[20]: ..."
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You seem to acknowledge that a start menu replacement is necessary.

I acknowledged no such thing. The start menu isn't even the issue. The REAL issue is that you want metro gone entirely and a return back to Windows 7. And that's fine if you feel that way. But for whatever reason, you won't come out and say it, and so you just insist that the start menu be brought back. In the end, this is not, and never has been about the start menu. If it was, you would install Classic Shell and move on with your life, esp since the start menu replacements can also disable the hot tracking, which people seem to hate so much.

I don't LOVE the metro start screen. To me, it's basically the start menu with a different UI. I'm pretty much indifferent about it. I had to get used to it, just like I had to get used to all the shit they moved around in Vista/7.

Don't you think it's absolutely ridiculous that Microsoft isn't providing this themselves?

I don't know, and I really don't care. I got accustomed to the new start screen pretty quickly, but even if I hadn't, I wouldn't lose sleep over something when the solution takes less than 5 minutes to implement. To be honest, I was much more bummed about the removal of the Win32 'classic' theme than I was the missing start menu. They're always removing stuff that I find useful, like how they removed the Vista calendar app in Windows 7, which I was quite fond of. Vista also had a decent startup manager that got nuked in Windows 7. (Which thankfully returned in Windows 8.) It happens just about every Windows release.

Edited 2013-05-10 23:33 UTC

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