Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 11th May 2013 21:41 UTC
Windows "Windows is indeed slower than other operating systems in many scenarios, and the gap is worsening." That's one way to start an insider explanation of why Windows' performance isn't up to snuff. Written by someone who actually contributes code to the Windows NT kernel, the comment on Hacker News, later deleted but reposted with permission on Marc Bevand's blog, paints a very dreary picture of the state of Windows development. The root issue? Think of how Linux is developed, and you'll know the answer.
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RE[5]: This is anti-MS propaganda
by lemur2 on Mon 13th May 2013 10:25 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: This is anti-MS propaganda"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

Yes, Linux sometimes works. XP allways works and works fully. That is a huge difference.


It is a huge difference, but you have it the wrong way around.

Example:

SCENARIO I - 10 year old computer.
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CPU: Athlon XP 2500+
RAM: 1 GB
Mobo: NF7 Series
GFX: Ati Radeon 8500
SND: Creative sound blaster 5.1

A legacy Linux distro will work partially on this system. Videocard will barely work and sound card will partially. However, and this is vital... because of the flawed centralized software repo scheme no new software could be used.


I'll call your bluff:

Athlon XP 2500+ CPU is fine.
RAM: 1 GB is fine.
Mobo: NF7 Series: I can't say for sure but there shouldn't be an issue: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/details/abit_nf7_s_linux.ht...
GFX: Ati Radeon 8500 : supported by the radeon open source driver from Xorg. Works flawlessly out of the box.
SND: Creative sound blaster 5.1: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?2216-Linux-Compatibility-... : An old sound card, based of the emu10k1 sound chip, that works perfectly in Windows and Linux, with hardware mixing.

So this system should work flawlessly out of the box with the latest Linux distributions.

SCENARIO II - 5-6 year old system
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CPU: Core 2 Duo 2.X GHZ
RAM: 3 GB
GFX: Ati 2 or 3000 series or NVIDIA 8400
SND: Creative sound blaster 5.1

New Ubuntu or Mint. With Ati shit out of luck.


Here is the list of ATI cards supported by the radeon open source driver as reported by the command "grep ATI /var/log/Xorg.0.log" under the latest Kubuntu 13.04 distribution: http://justpaste.it/2m4m

In other words, you are full of it.

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triangle Member since:
2013-05-13

You'll call my bluff with BS? Why do you assume I'm bluffing and your assumption that I'm bluffing is simply flawed. The examples I've stated were concrete specific examples because I know those things to be true.

You say "it should work". I agree. It should. Unfortunately in reality there is only how things are and not how they should be. You can't use modern distros with open source driver for that card. If u think that is a usable system... try it and enlighten yourself.

The open source ati driver is garbage. The fact that there exists an attempt to make a working driver does not mean it is successful.

Edited 2013-05-13 14:51 UTC

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Riddic Member since:
2005-10-05

You'll call my bluff with BS? Why do you assume I'm bluffing and your assumption that I'm bluffing is simply flawed. The examples I've stated were concrete specific examples because I know those things to be true.


This is like trying to dispute scientific evidence by quoting the Bible.
lemur2 at least gave you some links outlining the compatibility status of your hardware.


You say "it should work". I agree. It should. Unfortunately in reality there is only how things are and not how they should be. You can't use modern distros with open source driver for that card. If u think that is a usable system... try it and enlighten yourself.


So, you didn't get it to work and by extension it's absolutely impossible? Not much of a reference, I'm afraid.


The open source ati driver is garbage. The fact that there exists an attempt to make a working driver does not mean it is successful.


Nonsense.
My last ATI was in a Lenovo T410 (IIRC.. it was in 2006) and I got a lot to work with the open source driver just fine whereas the official driver blew chunks (dual screen using both video-out ports of the docking station, etc).

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

You'll call my bluff with BS? Why do you assume I'm bluffing and your assumption that I'm bluffing is simply flawed. The examples I've stated were concrete specific examples because I know those things to be true.

You say "it should work". I agree. It should. Unfortunately in reality there is only how things are and not how they should be. You can't use modern distros with open source driver for that card. If u think that is a usable system... try it and enlighten yourself.

The open source ati driver is garbage. The fact that there exists an attempt to make a working driver does not mean it is successful.


I called your bluff BS because it is BS.

Linux works with nearly every system out there. It is absolutely certain to work if you get a Linux system in the same way that you get a Windows system ... by buying a system from the vendor with Linux pre-installed.

And it will work faster, better and with more stability than Windows.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

And Windows 8 will also work flawlessly with such system, because that is exactly the sort of system I own.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

GFX: Ati Radeon 8500 : supported by the radeon open source driver from Xorg. Works flawlessly out of the box.
[...]
Here is the list of ATI cards supported by the radeon open source driver as reported by the command "grep ATI /var/log/Xorg.0.log"

There's more to it than such list. I happen to have an old PC with this GFX card, Radeon 8500 - and while the open source driver is the best choice, it really isn't very good: unmaintained (like many Linux drivers for older stuff); works poorly with 3D compositing enabled WMs; multi-monitor setups are really bad, very glitchy (especially when trying to use it with another GFX card, Matrox G450 PCI, also with OSS drivers; no such problems under XP...)

Edited 2013-05-17 19:55 UTC

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