Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th May 2013 21:46 UTC
Google "Wired has obtained a copy of a cease and desist letter sent by Google to Microsoft today, demanding Microsoft immediately remove the YouTube app from its Windows Phone Store and disable existing copies on consumers' devices by May 22. The YouTube app for Windows Phone - developed by Microsoft not Google - strips out ads and allows downloading, both violations of YouTube's terms of service." Incredibly petty. Just come up with a solution, you bunch of kids.
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RE[5]: Comment by Nelson
by silviucc on Thu 16th May 2013 00:11 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Nelson"
silviucc
Member since:
2009-12-05


No. Because they use the documented Exchange Active Sync protocol where they can, as it is superior on battery life for push email than polling IMAP.

This is a no brainer. I expect and hope to see *DAV support in Outlook for those who don't like EAS.


That "documented" protocol is still patented and anyone that wants to implement it in their email client or server-side needs to pay up.



Sure.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4318830/inside-hangouts-googles-b...

Singhal says Google had to make the difficult decision to drop the very "open" XMPP standard that it helped pioneer.

Now, I await your excuse. Eagerly.


Don't chop off the parts that do not help your argument. Here's the full quote:


With Hangouts, Singhal says Google had to make the difficult decision to drop the very "open" XMPP standard that it helped pioneer.


It was in the context of XMPP not being adequate for Google Hangouts a feature of Google+. They never say they pulled it from GChat (which is what Gmail uses). In short, Hangouts never, ever used GChat and XMPP


http://juberti.blogspot.ro/2011/07/hangouts-mailbag.html

The Chat in Hangouts is based on XMPP and Jingle + Google Sauce. They plan to open it up but might not do so. It was never open to begin with.

As for "an excuse". Seriously? You get paid to shill I don't get paid to debunk your crap. Go away.

Edited 2013-05-16 00:21 UTC

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RE[6]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Thu 16th May 2013 00:29 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


That "documented" protocol is still patented and anyone that wants to implement it in their email client or server-side needs to pay up.


So? You pay to implement WiFi, LTE, and 3G.


It was in the context of XMPP not being adequate for Google Hangouts a feature of Google+. They never say they pulled it from GChat (which is what Gmail uses). In short, Hangouts never, ever used GChat and XMPP


Sorry, Google has like 14 Chat APIs, I actually meant Google Talk, which is being superceded by Hangouts (which itself is a FB Messenger/WhatsApp/Kik competitor now)

FTA it states that Hangouts replaces Google Talk. I'm not sure if Google Chat is tied into Google Talk, or if its yet another separate protocol.


As for "an excuse". Seriously? You get paid to shill I don't get paid to debunk your crap. Go away.


Proof I get paid to shill? I make money off of Microsoft platforms, but I also make money off of Apple and to a more limited extent Android.

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RE[7]: Comment by Nelson
by silviucc on Thu 16th May 2013 08:39 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Nelson"
silviucc Member since:
2009-12-05


So? You pay to implement WiFi, LTE, and 3G.


WiFi, LTE, 3G are not controlled by a single entity with discretionary licensing policies. Read on FRAND on wikipedia and 3G for example.


Sorry, Google has like 14 Chat APIs, I actually meant Google Talk, which is being superceded by Hangouts (which itself is a FB Messenger/WhatsApp/Kik competitor now)

FTA it states that Hangouts replaces Google Talk. I'm not sure if Google Chat is tied into Google Talk, or if its yet another separate protocol.


Again, you quote just stuff the helps your argument while ignoring the truth. Here:

On the surface, Hangouts is essentially a messaging app in the same vein as WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger. Hangouts replaces Google Talk, Google+ Messenger, and the classic Google+ Hangouts video chat.

The app — available on Android, iOS, and Chrome (but not Windows Phone or BlackBerry) — starts with text conversations. You're presented with a list of your recent conversations instead of a contact list. That's the first sign that this is more of a mobile messenger than a traditional instant messaging client, a distinction that becomes even clearer once you dive into a group chat or one-on-one conversation. Conversations get names, like chat rooms, and it's simple to add an image or one of Google’s 850 new hand-drawn emoji.


The first two were mobile applications that a new app is replacing. It does not mean that the old Google Talk, as a serviced is phased. They mean to keep an interoperability between them, even if limited by technological constraints:


The flip side of this new system is that you lose the more traditional "Active / Away" presence indicators that Google Talk users have grown accustomed to. It’s a hybrid of instant messaging and mobile messaging, though Hangouts will on some levels remain interoperable from Google Talk.


You have the ability to use Hangouts in Gmail, but it's opt-in.


Proof I get paid to shill? I make money off of Microsoft platforms, but I also make money off of Apple and to a more limited extent Android.



The proof is in the pudding as they say. Every time there is a wiff of MS on OSNews, there's Nelson "setting the record straight" with arguments that contain enough truth to be believable for the ones poorly informed, but which are essentially "marketing/damage control" talk filled with half-truths and nothing more.

The fact that you "cut out" parts of the information in order to make your arguments, as illustrated above, shows exactly what you are. A shill.

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