Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th May 2013 21:46 UTC
Google "Wired has obtained a copy of a cease and desist letter sent by Google to Microsoft today, demanding Microsoft immediately remove the YouTube app from its Windows Phone Store and disable existing copies on consumers' devices by May 22. The YouTube app for Windows Phone - developed by Microsoft not Google - strips out ads and allows downloading, both violations of YouTube's terms of service." Incredibly petty. Just come up with a solution, you bunch of kids.
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UltraZelda64
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2006-12-05

They support PS Vita and the Wii U. Which combined have sold less than the Windows Phone installed base, certainly less than Windows 8 which has sold 100 million licenses.

And those are two video game systems. I thought we were talking phones here? Or at least I was. Either way, both companies are probably paying for some kind of deal. And Nintendo traditionally hasn't failed too drastically very often--maybe Google sees a Nintendo gaming system as a better investment than a dead phone OS.

I think you should read for comprehension, I call out Microsoft numerous times.

Oh, I read. And I still get the impression that your words on Microsoft are like a slap on the wrist vs. how you go on and on about the evil Google.

Wow.

It's a dick move, one that--translated to words--surely wouldn't be as pleasant as what you described. How you can make any lighter language of what Microsoft did and effectively get the point across, I don't know. But it certainly wouldn't have enough oomph to really demonstrate the ridiculousness of the actual situation, which is pretty much the equivalent of a raised corporate middle finger at the very least.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


And those are two video game systems. I thought we were talking phones here? Or at least I was. Either way, both companies are probably paying for some kind of deal. And Nintendo traditionally hasn't failed too drastically very often--maybe Google sees a Nintendo gaming system as a better investment than a dead phone OS.


How is Microsoft's platform a worse investment when they have more volume than other platforms Google has made investments on? AND Microsoft has done the legwork for the app. All it is asking for is an official sanction from Google, some slight collaboration to stay within the ToS, and that's it.

Its not asking for the moon and the sky here, just some basic access to APIs that non-direct Google competitors are afforded. It is a blatant anti-competitive move to use YouTube to sustain Android dominance on the phone.


Oh, I read. And I still get the impression that your words on Microsoft are like a slap on the wrist vs. how you go on and on about the evil Google.


I think your impression is mistaken then. I do provide context for why Microsoft does what it does, but I also provide context for why Google does what it does.

Google likely wants reciprocity for a Microsoft service or platform, which isn't entirely unreasonable, and may be missed by many given that these are private negotiations.

Which is why I've stated that I agree with Thom that this is dumb and consumers lose, especially consumers that did the unspeakable thing of using a mobile platform they enjoy, or happening to want to use Google services on all devices with a good experience.

I don't understand how you can so blatantly misrepresent my position given that I've been plenty clear on where I stand.

The only thing I've done is wonder if it has a tinge of anti-competition in it, which isn't outlandish given Google's recent settlements with various Government entities around the world.

So while it might seem like I'm in the tank for suggesting that regulators might see it like that, it is in line with reality -- and I'd caution you against ignoring this, or you'll be just as wrong as the people who thought it impossible that Google be taken to task by the DoJ/EU over SEPs.

which is pretty much the equivalent of a raised corporate middle finger at the very least.


I think we have common ground here, Microsoft did raise the corporate FU to Google after trying for two years to get YouTube -- and this is obvious a PR trap that Google walked right into by publicly getting specific on why they want the app off the Store.

If Microsoft shows a willingness to address the issues in the public then it is Google that looks like a bad faith negotiator. This also took a bunch of wind out of Google's I/O sails yesterday since this story pretty much took over Twitter.

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